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School Choice and Amendment 2

Renee Shaw and guests discuss school choice and Amendment 2. Guests: Tom Shelton, chair of the Protect Our Schools Campaign and a former school superintendent; Randy Adams, former principal in the Anderson County School district; Matt Robbins, former superintendent of Daviess County Public Schools; and Jim Waters, president of the Bluegrass Institute for Public Policy Solutions.
Season 31 Episode 15 Length 56:35 Premiere: 09/16/24

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KET’s Kentucky Tonight, hosted by Renee Shaw, brings together an expert panel for in-depth analysis of major issues facing the Commonwealth.

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Panelists Discuss a Constitutional Amendment That Would Transform School Funding

On November’s ballot, Kentuckians will have the chance to vote on two proposed amendments to the state constitution: Amendment 1 would add language to prohibit non-U.S. citizens from voting in any election in the commonwealth. Amendment 2 would enable lawmakers to direct state tax dollars to private school educations.

Amendment 2 is part of a long push by state Republicans to provide more school choice options to parents who want to send their children to non-public schools such as religious-based schools or private charter schools. The proposed amendment comes after courts overruled legislation passed by the General Assembly to create a funding mechanism for schools that operate outside of the state’s traditional public school system.

Opponents fear the amendment would hurt public schools (or “common” schools in the parlance of the constitution), which serve the vast majority of Kentucky students by sending tax dollars they might otherwise receive to privately operated schools. To make that possible, the amendment allows lawmakers to bypass (or “notwithstand”)
seven existing sections of the constitution that address funding for the state’s public school system.

“This is a very dramatic change,” says Matt Robbins, former superintendent of Daviess County Public Schools. “I don’t think we should take that lightly.”

Supporters contend the amendment doesn’t require lawmakers to fund private schools or parents who want to send their children to them. They say it simply enables lawmakers to explore legislation that might allow that to happen.

“This is not dramatic at all,” says Jim Waters, president of the Bluegrass Institute for Public Policy Solutions. “This is simply clarifying that our constitution does not prohibit giving parents in Kentucky the same kind of education freedom that parents in most other states, including every state that surrounds us, the same kind of options and choices.”

Supporters Say Choice Benefits Taxpayers, Students, and Schools

The push for charter schools and state funding for them has increased over the past decade in Kentucky. Critics of the public school system say it is failing to properly educate students in fundamental skills like reading and math. They also contend public schools promote policies and ideologies they oppose, ranging from how history is taught to how LQBTQ students are treated.

The legislature legalized alternative schools known as charter schools in 2017, but none exist yet in the state. School choice advocates say parents need these educational alternatives so they can get their children out of public schools and into a classroom that will better serve their needs.

“In our (public) schools we have people who are not relating to the common values of Kentucky,” says Randy Adams, a former principal in the Anderson County School district. “Parents don’t want their kids going to school and being sexualized by pornographic books and all these other things.”

Kentucky is the only state in the nation that allows charter schools but doesn’t fund them. That stems from language in the state constitution that directs public funds to “an efficient system of common schools.” Waters says that has resulted in more and more tax dollars devoted to propping up the public school system rather than actually educating children.

“If we’re spending $24,000 (per student) like we are in Jefferson County, and yet only about a third of the students are proficient in math and reading, I don’t think many Kentuckians would consider that to be efficient,” says Waters.

A better system, according to Waters, is give parents more options about where to send their children to school and have state dollars follow the child, whether that’s to a traditional public school or some private alternative. He contends such private education options would be half the cost of the public school system and provide better outcomes for children. Waters points to charter schools in Florida that he says are outperforming public schools in educating Black students in reading and math.

He also argues the state’s public schools would benefit from the presence of charter and private school options since the competition would force the public schools to improve. If charter schools fail to properly educate their students, Waters says parents will withdraw their children and the schools will cease to exist. He says that creates the greatest kind of accountability for these schools.

Opponents Question Expense, Accountability and Benefits

Amendment 2 opponents acknowledge the challenges facing public schools, ranging from low teacher pay to student discipline issues and persistent achievement gaps among some students. But they argue the answer isn’t to siphon money away from public schools, which they contend are already underfunded despite record per-pupil allocations by lawmakers. They point out that public schools must take all students and abide by all state regulations, whereas private schools can cherry-pick the students they enroll and won’t be held to the same academic and transparency standards.

“We don’t oppose school choice. We oppose taking public dollars and sending them to unaccountable private schools” says Tom Shelton, chair of the Protect Our Schools Campaign and a former public school superintendent. “It is a means of privatization.”

Shelton says public educators worked with lawmakers to draft the 2017 legislation to legalize public charter schools, which would be operated by local public school districts and have greater flexibility in student instruction. But he says subsequent legislation allowed for privately operated charter schools, which he opposes.

According to the Kentucky Center for Economic Policy, 80 percent of the existing private schools in the commonwealth are located in eight zip codes, and most of the state’s 120 counties have no private school option at all. Shelton fears if state moneys start flowing to private schools, rural public schools would be the hardest hit as tax dollars are redirected from those communities to cities that have private schools. He says those rural districts will be forced to make up the difference by either raising local taxes or cutting programs like music and sports.

Robbins questions whether voucher programs, which give parents money to cover tuitions charged by non-traditional schools, actually help students attend a private school. He says research indicates about three-quarters of vouchers go to parents who already have children in private schools. He also argues that school choice initiatives are enormously expensive, costing billions of dollars in states like Florida, Arizona, Ohio, and Indiana, yet provide mixed outcomes at best.

“Some of these other states, particularly where they’re spending over $1 billion… on vouchers and they’re not really finding the increase in academic achievement,” says Robbins. “Where are all these dollars going?”

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Freshman Lawmakers in the Kentucky General Assembly

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Debating Legislative Priorities in the 2025 General Assembly

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2025 Kentucky General Assembly Session

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National and State Politics After the 2024 General Election

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Kentucky Ballot Amendment 2

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Progress and Challenges Facing Northern Kentucky

S31 E16 Length 56:48 Premiere Date 09/23/24

School Choice and Amendment 2

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National Politics Heading Into the 2024 General Election

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Affordable and Available Housing

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National Conference of State Legislatures Summit

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K-12 Education in Kentucky

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National Politics During the 2024 Presidential Campaign

S31 E9 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 07/08/24

Southwestern Kentucky Progress and Opportunities

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State of the Media

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Kentucky's Constitutional Amendment on School Choice

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Previewing the 2024 Primary Election

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Candidate Conversations: Dana Edwards and Shauna Rudd

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Housing and Homelessness

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Lawmakers Recap the 2024 General Assembly

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Reviewing the 2024 General Assembly

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