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National Politics During the 2024 Presidential Campaign

Renee Shaw and guests discuss national politics. Guests: David Tandy, attorney, Democrat and former Louisville Metro Councilman; Rebecca Hartsough, Republican and senior policy director at Babbage Cofounder; Mike Ward, former Democratic congressman and Democratic political consultant; and Tres Watson, former spokesman for the Republican Party of Kentucky and founder of Capitol Reins PR.
Season 31 Episode 9 Length 56:33 Premiere: 07/08/24

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KET’s Kentucky Tonight, hosted by Renee Shaw, brings together an expert panel for in-depth analysis of major issues facing the Commonwealth.

This weekly program features comprehensive discussions with lawmakers, stakeholders and policy leaders that are moderated by award-winning journalist Renee Shaw.

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

Host Renee Shaw smiling in a green dress with a KET set behind her.

The debate over Joe Biden’s future as the Democratic nominee for president has roiled party faithful in the two weeks since the incumbent’s poor performance in his first debate with former President Donald Trump. Can Biden reassure voters that he has the physical stamina and cognitive strength to defeat the Republican and serve a second term? Or should the Democrat who has held public office since 1973 step aside and let his party select a new, younger nominee?

Democratic consultant and former Kentucky Congressman Mike Ward acknowledges that Biden had a “bad night” back on June 27. But Ward contends Trump also performed poorly at the debate, yet he wonders why the media and pundits aren’t focused on that.

“It is very frustrating to watch that again and again,” says Ward. “Donald Trump’s able to get away... with murder in these things and we don’t’ talk about it.”

Former Louisville Metro Councilman David Tandy, another Democrat, agrees that Biden failed to deliver at the debate. But he argues that other incumbents have stumbled in their first debates and still won reelection, including President Ronald Reagan in 1984 and President Barack Obama in 2012. He says it’s hard for commanders-in-chief to suddenly shift into campaign mode.

While Democrats may be divided on Biden’s future now, Tandy contends they would unite around the president should he remain in the race, especially, he says, since the Republican opponent is an “existential threat” to the nation.

“Just because President Biden asked for the debate early and it didn’t pan out the way that he wanted it to be doesn’t mean that the game is over,” says Tandy. “So, we’ll go through this news cycle and then people will start to pay attention to what the issues are.”

Following the debate, Republicans questioned whether Biden’s performance points to deeper issues with the president’s health. Kentucky’s first district Congressman James Comer, a Republican who is the chair of the House Oversight Committee, stated on a Newsmax television program that he wants to hear from White House doctors about the president’s condition.

If Biden isn’t fit to stand for reelection, Tres Watson wonders if the president is even able to serve the remainder of his term. “Everyone has tiptoed around this for six months, a year or two,” says Watson, who is a GOP consultant former Republican Party of Kentucky spokesman. “Are they being honest with the American people about the health of the president, and I think that’s certainly in the purview of the oversight committee to ask that question.”

Rebecca Hartsough, a Republican lobbyist and senior policy director at Babbage Cofounder, says Biden had one goal in the first debate: convince Americans that he can successfully fulfill a second term. She argues the president failed to do that and is unlikely to get any better going forward.

“Yes, you can have a bad night,” says Hartsough. But she adds “every subsequent event after those, he continues to say things or do things that call it into more question.”

Who Might Be Waiting in the Wings for Democrats

So will Biden drop out, and if he does, who should replace him on the ticket?

Ward says every candidate declares they’re running until the moment they’re not. He argues Biden wants to do what’s best for the country, which is to beat Trump. But the question is whether Biden or another Democrat is more likely to achieve that.

“Frankly, if I had to bet, I think that President Biden will pass the torch to a new candidate,” says Ward.

If Biden does step aside, Tandy says elevating Vice President Kamala Harris is the simplest, most practical choice for Democrats, given that election day is 16 weeks away. He says the former senator from California has served Biden and the nation well.

“I think she’s done a very good job as vice president and will prove herself going forward,” says Tandy.

Watson believes Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro would be the toughest opponent for Trump, but he says Democrats are unlikely to tap him for the nomination should it come open. Watson agrees that Harris is the logical choice for Democrats, and he says any other candidate would expose rifts in the party and lead to a chaotic convention.

“She’s the only one that could make it through without, honestly, the Democratic Party embarrassing themselves on national TV,” Watson says.

If Harris or some other Democrat becomes the nominee, that could create an opening for a new vice president. Gov. Andy Beshear’s name has been floated in Democratic circles as a potential candidate. Ward says it’s good for Kentucky to be part of that national conversation, but he adds that he would be surprised if Beshear opted not to complete his current term as governor.

With Biden being 81 years old and Trump at 78, and many members of the House of Representatives and Senate in their 70s and 80s, Hartsough says Washington is in desperate need of “fresh blood and fresh ideas.”

“We need a generational change in both parties in terms of leadership and age in the candidates that we’re running,” says Hartsough.

But finding new people to seek office isn’t easy, given the expense and personal sacrifice of campaigning, not to mention the vitriol of modern American politics. Tandy says most people would rather complain about their elected leaders on social media than to enter politics themselves. Watson says that’s indicative of a deeper issue.

“Our politicians and our politics are a reflection of us,” Watson says. “If you want to complain about the atmosphere and the air of politics right now, you’ve got to look at yourself.”

Even so, Ward says there’s still reason to be cautiously optimistic.

“Let’s just remember we still have the greatest country in the world,” says Ward, “and we should thank our lucky stars that we do – as long as we can keep it.”

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Freshman Lawmakers in the Kentucky General Assembly

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Debating Legislative Priorities in the 2025 General Assembly

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2025 Kentucky General Assembly Session

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National and State Politics After the 2024 General Election

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General Election Eve Preview

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Kentucky Ballot Amendment 2

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Progress and Challenges Facing Northern Kentucky

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School Choice and Amendment 2

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National Politics Heading Into the 2024 General Election

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Affordable and Available Housing

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National Conference of State Legislatures Summit

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K-12 Education in Kentucky

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National Politics During the 2024 Presidential Campaign

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Southwestern Kentucky Progress and Opportunities

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State of the Media

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Kentucky's Constitutional Amendment on School Choice

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Candidate Conversations: Dana Edwards and Shauna Rudd

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Housing and Homelessness

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Lawmakers Recap the 2024 General Assembly

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