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Abortion, Maternal Health, and Gender Identity

Renee Shaw discusses abortion and maternal health with Addia Wuchner from Kentucky Right to Life and Tamarra Wieder from Planned Parenthood Alliance Advocates. Next, Renee discusses gender identity with Chris Hartman from the Fairness Campaign; David Walls from The Family Foundation; Emma Curtis, Lexington-Fayette Co. councilwoman; and Colin Smothers from Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood.
Season 31 Episode 30 Length 56:33 Premiere: 03/24/25

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KET’s Kentucky Tonight, hosted by Renee Shaw, brings together an expert panel for in-depth analysis of major issues facing the Commonwealth.

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Advocates Debate the Merits of Several Legislative Actions During the 2025 Session

In the final days of the 2025 General Assembly session, lawmakers swiftly overrode gubernatorial vetoes of measures dealing with medically complex pregnancies, gender-affirming care, and therapies meant to reverse the sexual identities of LGBTQ individuals. Advocates for and against these bills appeared on Kentucky Tonight to discuss these legislative actions.

Clarifications to the State’s Abortion Ban

House Bill 90 started as a measure to allow freestanding birthing centers, which would provide labor, delivery, and postpartum services to mothers outside of a traditional hospital. But late in the session, a Senate committee substitute added language meant to help doctors better understand when they could terminate a pregnancy without violating Kentucky’s near-total ban on abortion.

“What was important was to say, ‘This is intentional abortion, this is not,’” says Addia Wuchner, executive director of Kentucky Right to Life and a former state representative. “And making sure there’s not ambiguity in the law when it comes to spontaneous miscarriage, ectopic pregnancies, molar pregnancies, sepsis, (and) hemorrhage so that the doctors have that weight off their shoulders.”

Republican lawmakers worked on the new language with Wuchner and Louisville OB-GYN Dr. Jeffrey Goldberg, who is legislative advocacy chair for the state chapter of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG). Even with the addition of the 55-page committee substitute, Wuchner says there are still areas that need further clarification.

“Ambiguity in the law causes confusion, and what we were doing with was trying to remove as much as we could as a start, and that was important in the 30-day session for the maternal health care of the women of the commonwealth,” says Wuchner. “The next step is another conversation.”

But opponents argue the measure will endanger the lives of women even more than the current ban does. Tamarra Wieder, state director for Planned Parenthood Alliance Advocates, says the final bill is riddled with “anti-abortion jargon” like “fetal maternal separation” rather than medically precise language. She says neither the Kentucky ACOG group nor the national association have endorsed the legislation.

“There are 85 doctors out there who say that does not create a pathway to any form of clarification,” says Wieder. “The goal of this legislation is to divide the public that supports access to reproductive health care, and to deem some people and some conditions more deserving of safe and effective treatment.”

Wuchner says the bill isn’t meant to tell doctors what procedure to perform, but rather clarify the conditions under which they could act without the threat of prosecution. Under the current abortion ban, doctors accused of illegally performing the procedure can be charged with a Class D felony. Opponents including Wieder argue the measure will cause hospitals and doctors to act more cautiously and conservatively in their care decisions, and result in more cesarean sections and inductions of labor.

“These are taking the ability of doctors to use their good-faith judgment in moments of emergencies and are giving it over to the judges to decide,” says Wieder. “They need to leave it in the good-faith, which gives more power to the provider to defend their (patient’s) needs.”

The final legislation did not address exceptions to the state’s abortion ban for victims of rape or incest. Wieder says women in those situations need a pathway to abortion care, while Wuchner says every life has dignity and Kentucky Right to Life isn’t interested in allowing exemption to the abortion ban.

Gender Affirming Health Care and Conversion Therapy

Lawmakers also overrode Gov. Andy Beshear’s veto of House Bill 495, which reverses his 2024 executive order to ban the practice known as conversion therapy. Republican leaders and supporters of the measure argue that was a policy decision that should’ve been made by the legislature.

“The governor’s counseling ban was a one-sided action,” says David Walls, executive director of The Family Foundation. “It suppresses free speech, it tramples religious freedom, and it tramples the rights of parents to seek out the counseling that they desire for their children.”

Conversion therapy is a practice that seeks to reverse the sexual preferences or gender identities of LGBTQ individuals. Opponents say it damages the mental health of youth who undergo the therapy and that Beshear was simply trying to protect children from the controversial practice.

“We know it’s medical malpractice,” says Fairness Campaign Executive Director Chris Hartman. “Children who are subjected to it are more than twice as likely to attempt suicide.”

HB 495 also received a late committee substitute that prohibits the state’s Medicaid program from paying for gender-reassignment surgeries or hormone therapies.

Medicaid has never covered such surgeries, according to Lexington-Fayette Urban County Councilmember Emma Curtis. But she says Medicaid has covered hormone therapy, which she says is a treatment accepted by major medical organizations around the world. She adds that laws like HB 495 strip marginalized Kentuckians of health care.

“I’m sitting before you as a transgender Kentuckian,” says Curtis. “You have your right to believe whatever you might want to believe about me, but you don’t have the right to take away my access to the health care that saves my life and saves thousands of other lives because you don’t understand me.”

Hartman says most Kentuckians don’t care about this issue, and lawmakers only pursue it because it’s “political red meat” that generates outrage, votes, and campaign contributions. Supporters say Kentuckians shouldn’t be forced to cover the costs of changing a person’s gender, something that they contend isn’t possible.

“We’re talking about taxpayer money going for procedures and treatments that will... result in the long-term irreversible damage to these individuals,” says Colin Smothers of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood and an adjunct professor at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville. “It’s God who assigns male and female, and who are we to act otherwise?”

A separate measure, Senate Bill 2, says that public dollars cannot be used to pay for gender-affirming care for inmates at county jails or state prisons, which had been allowed under an administrative regulation issued by the Beshear administration. Smothers says this is another issue that the legislature should decide, not a unilateral decision for the governor to make. He says taxpayers do not want to fund these kinds of surgeries or therapies.

Hartman says all inmates deserve access to medical services, and the state could face legal challenges for denying professionally prescribed health care to inmates. Opponents also say that ceasing hormone therapy without a proper tapering-off period can be medically harmful to the patient.

Gov. Beshear did not veto SB 2 but allowed the measure to become law without his signature.

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Season 31 Episodes

2025 Kentucky General Assembly Session in Review

S31 E31 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 03/31/25

Abortion, Maternal Health, and Gender Identity

S31 E30 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 03/24/25

Discussing Legislation in the 2025 General Assembly

S31 E29 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 03/17/25

K-12 Issues Before the Kentucky General Assembly

S31 E28 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 03/10/25

Mid-Point of Kentucky's 2025 Legislative Session

S31 E27 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 02/24/25

The Economy, Jobs and Business Issues

S31 E26 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 02/17/25

Legislators Discuss Family and Health Issues

S31 E25 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 02/10/25

Freshman Lawmakers in the Kentucky General Assembly

S31 E24 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 02/03/25

Debating Legislative Priorities in the 2025 General Assembly

S31 E23 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 01/27/25

2025 Kentucky General Assembly Session

S31 E22 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 01/13/25

National and State Politics After the 2024 General Election

S31 E21 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 11/25/24

General Election Eve Preview

S31 E20 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 11/04/24

Kentucky Ballot Amendment 2

S31 E18 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 10/21/24

Discussing the Youth Vote in the 2024 Election

S31 E17 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 10/14/24

Progress and Challenges Facing Northern Kentucky

S31 E16 Length 56:48 Premiere Date 09/23/24

School Choice and Amendment 2

S31 E15 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 09/16/24

National Politics Heading Into the 2024 General Election

S31 E14 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 08/26/24

Affordable and Available Housing

S31 E13 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 08/12/24

National Conference of State Legislatures Summit

S31 E12 Length 57:02 Premiere Date 08/05/24

K-12 Education in Kentucky

S31 E11 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 07/29/24

National Politics During the 2024 Presidential Campaign

S31 E9 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 07/08/24

Southwestern Kentucky Progress and Opportunities

S31 E8 Length 56:43 Premiere Date 06/24/24

State of the Media

S31 E7 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 06/17/24

Kentucky's Constitutional Amendment on School Choice

S31 E6 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 06/10/24

Previewing the 2024 Primary Election

S31 E5 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 05/20/24

Candidate Conversations: Dana Edwards and Shauna Rudd

S31 E4 Length 28:01 Premiere Date 05/06/24

Housing and Homelessness

S31 E3 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 04/29/24

Lawmakers Recap the 2024 General Assembly

S31 E2 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 04/22/24

Reviewing the 2024 General Assembly

S31 E1 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 04/15/24

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