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Debbie Millman

Debbie Millman, a writer, brand consultant, and educator, talks with Renee at the 2014 IdeaFestival at the Kentucky Center for the Arts.
Season 10 Episode 10 Length 28:16 Premiere: 11/11/14

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KET’s Connections features in-depth interviews with the influential, innovative and inspirational individuals who are shaping the path for Kentucky’s future.

From business leaders to entertainers to authors to celebrities, each week features an interesting and engaging guest covering a broad array of topics. Host Renee Shaw uses her extensive reporting experience to naturally blend casual conversation and hard-hitting questions to generate rich and full conversations about the issues impacting Kentucky and the world.


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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

Host Renee Shaw smiling in a green dress with a KET set behind her.

What Drives Consumers to Certain Brands?

The clothes we wear, the cars we drive, the cell phones we use, even the celebrities we admire and the sodas we drink, all say something about us. And Debbie Millman is fascinated by how consumers arrive at those choices.

Millman is a branding consultant, educator, and author who’s helped a range of corporate and non-profit clients define and differentiate their products. She discussed her work on this weekend’s Connections with Renee Shaw. Their conversation was recorded at the 2014 Idea Festival in Louisville.

Millman says branding helps consumers understand the nature, use, and value of a certain product or service. Her own work has included developing packaging and store designs for Burger King, developing a special type font for Twizzlers candy, and helping launch an anti-domestic violence group, the No More Foundation.

What Drives Brand Choice
Millman says most brand choices aren’t rational or financial but highly emotional. She says people will even pay more for a certain item, such as an iPhone versus a cheaper smart phone, if that choice helps the individual project a certain image of themselves to other people.

“We choose the brands whose tribes we want to belong to because we feel better about who we are when we’re engaged with those brands,” Millman explains.

Because these consumer choices involve feelings, motivations, and other intangible factors, Millman says good marketers and branding consultants need to have expertise in a range of disciplines from anthropology and behavioral psychology to finance and economics. “It’s those all together that create the most holistic, the most powerful way to use branding to express ideas,” Millman says.

Defining a Personal Brand
Millman’s own creative streak started when she drew words and stories as a child. Her artistic talents expanded after Millman’s mother, who was a seamstress, taught her how to sew and make her own clothes.

“I made anything that you could think of,” Millman says. “I think I feel most alive when I’m actually making something.”

After majoring in English and working for her student newspaper in college, Millman knocked around in various freelance and part-time jobs in her 20s, until she took a job in branding simply because she needed to pay her rent.

“All of a sudden I realized I’m completely comfortable with this language,” Millman says, “and it’s intrinsically fascinating to me to understand why people choose the things that they do.”

Now in addition to her own brand consulting work, Millman has written six books and hosts a popular podcast on design and branding. She also teaches at New York’s School for Visual Arts in a master’s in branding program she co-founded. There she helps students define their own personal brands.

“If you don’t understand your motivations first, whether you’re a person or a brand, you’re never ever going to be able to make a difference,” Millman explains. “[People] are interested in engaging with brands and people that are going to make differences in their lives. So that’s very much at the root, at the foundation of everything I teach: What is your message, what is your motivation?”

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