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Criminal Justice Reform

Holly Harris, executive director of the U.S. Justice Action Network, the largest 501(c)4 organization in the country to bring together progressive and conservative partners to make the criminal justice system fairer and more efficient, discusses criminal justice reform and female incarceration.
Season 12 Episode 42 Length 28:08 Premiere: 07/28/17

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Stemming the Rising Tide of Incarceration

It seems almost every option is on the table as Kentucky lawmakers look for money to help pay down the unfunded liabilities in the state’s public pension system.

One cost-saving idea is to cut the prison population in the commonwealth, says Holly Harris, executive director of the U.S. Justice Action Network. She says the corrections officials could safely reduce the number of low-level, non-violent offenders sitting in state prisons, which in turn would save Kentucky millions of dollars each year.

Harris, an attorney and Elizabethtown native, appeared on KET’s Connections to discuss her organization’s work to foster criminal justice reform in the commonwealth and across the nation.

The old-school, tough-on-crime approach to criminal justice may make for good political commercials, but in reality Harris says it hasn’t helped improve public safety or reduce recidivism. She contends that it’s counterproductive to give harsh sentences to low-level offenders, many of whom may have mental health issues or substance abuse problems. Throwing them into a prison population with truly dangerous criminals, while at the same time offering them few opportunities for treatment, rehabilitation, or vocational training, nearly guarantees that they will re-offend and wind up back in prison.

“That’s throwing good money after bad,” Harris says bluntly.

Instead Harris advocates for helping low-level, non-violent offenders stay out of jail, and if they are incarcerated, for giving them more opportunities for addiction counseling and treatment as well as education and job skills training. It’s more about being smart on crime than being tough on crime, she says.

“If you are in favor of law and order, criminal justice reform is where you should be,” Harris says. “To me what law and order should mean is lowering crime rates, lowering recidivism rates, and ensuring that we’re promoting public safety in our communities, which is what these reforms have proven to do.”

Rethinking Sentences for Drug Crimes
Harris admits her group does get resistance to the idea of scaling back mandatory minimum sentences, especially for drug-related crimes. But she argues that giving 10 years to a first-time, low-level drug offender makes no sense.

“Research shows that the longer sentences are actually harmful to public safety,” Harris says. “What happens is the longer these individuals are isolated from society, the less likely they are to successfully re-enter.”

In the 2017 Kentucky General Assembly, lawmakers approved legislation to make trafficking any amount of heroin and synthetic opioids, including Fentanyl and Carfentanil, a Class C felony. Individuals convicted of dealing those drugs must serve at least half of their sentence before being eligible for parole.

But Harris contends that lawmakers should be careful to distinguish between people who sell just enough drugs to support their own habit and individuals who are truly driving the narcotics trade in the United States.

“What concerns me is that we’re not hitting the manufacturers and the importers – those are the individuals who are actually lacing this heroin with Fentanyl, which is incredibly dangerous,” she says.

Harris is no stranger to the halls of Frankfort. After graduating from the University of Kentucky College of Law, she worked as an attorney at the state Justice and Public Safety Cabinet. She also served as counsel and finance chair for the Republican Party of Kentucky, counsel for the state Senate, and as chief of staff for former Agriculture Commissioner James Comer.

She joined the nonprofit U.S. Justice Action Network two years ago to work on criminal justice reform, which Harris says is the last remaining “sacred space” of bipartisanship in American politics.

A Renewed Push for Bail Reform 
Harris says Kentucky is viewed nationally as forward thinking on criminal justice policies. For example, state legislators this year also approved Senate Bill 120, which provides more job training and work opportunities for prison inmates, and gives former felons a better shot at obtaining a professional certification or license. Harris applauds those measures, saying they will help inmates find gainful employment when they get out, and help Kentucky businesses fill much-needed positions.

“Marrying the jobs that are available in market to the job training that a lot of these inmates are receiving, I think, is critical,” she says.

One provision that was removed from SB 120 would have reformed the state’s bail system. Harris says the state spends roughly $127 million a year to house some 37,000 people who are awaiting trial for a low-level, non-violent crime.

“The only reason they’re behind bars is because they can’t make their bail,” says Harris. “Meanwhile, last year in Kentucky just over 800 violent offenders… did make bail, so they’re out.”

In the current system, impoverished people who are merely accused of a crime, but not yet convicted of one, are kept behind bars, which means they’re not earning an income or providing for their families, according to Harris.

“That’s not promoting public safety, that’s just all about whoever has the money gets justice,” she says.

Harris says her group will continue to educate the public and law enforcement officials on the issue with an eye towards passing bail reform in the 2018 legislative session.

Helping Female Inmates
Another area of focus for Harris and her organization is women in prison. In 1970 there were fewer than 8,000 female inmates in the United States. Today that number is more than 100,000. In the last 30 years alone, the female prison population has jumped more than 700 percent.

Statistics indicate that many of those women have a history of mental illness, substance abuse, and sexual trauma or domestic violence. What’s worse, says Harris, is that a quarter of those women are either pregnant or have a young child at home. Some 60 percent of them have a child under 18. Harris says those children are five times more likely to eventually enter the justice system themselves.

And Kentucky has the highest rate of kids with an incarcerated parent of any state in the nation.

Harris argues that female inmates should be treated differently than male prisoners because women have different life experiences and medical needs.

“I think we should providing counseling, treatment, rehabilitative services to these individuals,” Harris says, “because if we don’t treat their core issues, they’re just going to get out, recidivate, and go back to prison.”

Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) is the lead sponsor of federal legislation called the Dignity for incarcerated Women Act, which would, among other things, prevent pregnant inmates from being shackled during childbirth.

“As someone who has in fact been through labor, I can’t imagine how you would be able to escape while giving birth to a child,” Harris says.

At the federal level, the U.S. Justice Action Network is also supporting another bill sponsored by Booker that would incentivize states to reduce prison populations, and a measure filed by Republican Congressman Doug Collins of Georgia that would ensure vocational training for prison inmates.

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