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Caroline Randall Williams

Host Renee Shaw talks with Nashville-based writer, educator, and activist Caroline Randall Williams about race, identity, Confederate monuments, soul food, and more. Southern Living magazine named Williams “One of the 50 People Changing the South.”
Season 16 Episode 13 Length 28:01 Premiere: 12/20/20

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KET’s Connections features in-depth interviews with the influential, innovative and inspirational individuals who are shaping the path for Kentucky’s future.

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

Host Renee Shaw smiling in a green dress with a KET set behind her.

A Celebrated Writer Discusses Race, Identity, Cooking, and More

Back in the summer, during the height of the Black Lives Matter protests and heated debates about America’s legacy of racial injustice, Nashville writer and educator Caroline Randall Williams penned a searing essay for the New York Times entitled, “You Want a Confederate Monument? My Body Is a Confederate Monument.” If the title didn’t grab the reader’s attention, the opening paragraph certainly did:

“I have rape-colored skin. My light-brown-blackness is a living testament to the rules, the practices, the causes of the Old South.”

From there, Williams went on to explain how she is the daughter, granddaughter and great granddaughter of Black people. Beyond that, the story gets far more complicated.

“About seven of my eight great-great grandfathers were white men who took advantage of the black women who worked for them either in slavery or freedom,” she says. “I don’t know how to describe my light-colored skin except for to say it came by way of sexual assault. There’s no voluntary whiteness in my immediate genealogy.”

As she explained in her essay, Williams is biologically half-white. One of those Caucasian ancestors includes Edmund Pettus, the Confederate General and Ku Klux Klan grand dragon whose name still adorns an infamous bridge in Selma, Ala. She argues this heritage gives her the right to say what other white southerners resist saying: that Confederate statues must come down because they represent a dream version of the south that she contends never existed.

“Even if you make that argument that it was about land and home and not about slavery or racism, my ancestors were still all guys that raped their help,” says Williams. “I don’t stand for that any more than I stand for systemic oppression.”

The essay generated more than 1,200 comments on the New York Times website, including notes from elderly white residents of the deep south who praised Williams for helping change their minds.

“I can’t tell you what that means to me that they came to my words with a mind open enough to reconsider,” she says.

Benefitting and Hiding from Race

Williams works in multiple genres, from writing essays and a young adult novel to poetry and a cookbook. She is a graduate of Harvard and the University of Mississippi, where she got a Master of Fine Arts in poetry, and she is now a writer-in-residence at Vanderbilt University’s Department of Medicine, Health, and Society.

Powerful words are also in her DNA. She is the great-granddaughter of Harlem Renaissance poet Arna Bontemps, the granddaughter of civil rights lawyer and former Tennessee state Sen. Avon Williams, and the daughter of author and songwriter Alice Randall.

“My whole goal in writing is... to save the black body and make sure it is well and celebrated and that our story is told,” she says. “That works in poetry, in music, in essays, and in the kitchen.”

As a light-skinned Black woman, Williams says her racial identity has given her access and privilege that other African Americans do not enjoy. But that’s also created an internal conflict.

“I have benefitted from colorism in my life,” she says, “I’ve also hidden from my blackness in my life in different chapters.”

Williams says she wouldn’t have made it into some of the public spaces she has if she hadn’t conformed in some way. She says she must effectively, and sometimes subversively, use the privilege she has gained to help others advance.

Because of how she has both used and obscured her identity, Williams says she feels like she must both ask forgiveness and seek understanding as she and all Americans continue to reconcile thorny issues of race.

At the same time, Williams says she’s excited to see how her young, Black female students navigate the world without thinking they have to deny their racial heritage and identity to get ahead.

“It’s amazing to me to watch people find their ways into spaces of power and insight and academic institutions and professional advancement without making these… nods to a certain set of norms that maybe we’re raised to look at and think this is how you make it,” says Williams. “I’m very happy to see that evolution.”

Feeding the Body, Nourishing the Spirit

Another narrative that Williams is working to change is the perception that soul food is unhealthy. She co-authored a book on the subject with her mother entitled “Soul Food Love: Healthy Recipes Inspired by 100 Years of Cooking in a Black Family.” She’s also curator of an all-African American cookbook store that’s located in a Nashville restaurant she co-owns, the beautifully restored Woolworth of 5th, which was the site of some of the first lunch counter sit-ins of the Civil Rights Movement.

“We were early days clean foodways people,” she says. “We forget that our great grandmothers used to eat a baked sweet potato for lunch. We forget that like my great grandfather loved a [roasted] red snapper and just some stewed greens with garlic and onions.”

Williams says African Americans shouldn’t feel like they have to move to some other foods to eat well. Instead, she encourages Black people to reclaim their culinary heritage, and realize they don’t have confuse high-fat dishes like fried chicken and pound cake that were meant for special celebrations with the foods one should eat every day.

“Eating in a way that is nourishing and sustaining, that is part of soul food because it’s taking care of the people you love in body and not just in spirit,” she says.

Even though she admits she is rarely optimistic, Williams does say the some of events of this year have left her hopeful. She says it’s good that the nation started to re-examine at its long-standing issues of race and class.

“2020 is the year that America finally acknowledged that the emperor has no clothes,” says Williams. “I am feeling empowered personally and I am feeling inspired broadly by some of the right-minded change that has happened, some of the doors that people have finally gotten a foot through.”

But there’s also fear, she says, fear that as Americans emerge into the post-pandemic, post-President Donald Trump world, they will revert back to ignoring these systemic issues and not further the push for change.

“We just have to continue to take a look at what is going on here, what has been going on here, what wrong has been done here,” Williams says. “I can love my country and want to see it change, too.”

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