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A Proposal for Pension Reform

Renee's guest Gordon Hamlin, president of Pro Bono Public Pensions and a retired attorney, offers ideas about how to fix Kentucky's ailing public pension systems. Hamlin recommends that Kentucky transition to a shared risk pension plan: longer working careers, elimination of cost of living adjustments, and transition to career average formula.
Season 13 Episode 6 Length 28:02 Premiere: 10/13/17

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KET’s Connections features in-depth interviews with the influential, innovative and inspirational individuals who are shaping the path for Kentucky’s future.

From business leaders to entertainers to authors to celebrities, each week features an interesting and engaging guest covering a broad array of topics. Host Renee Shaw uses her extensive reporting experience to naturally blend casual conversation and hard-hitting questions to generate rich and full conversations about the issues impacting Kentucky and the world.


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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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A Proposal for Fixing Public Pensions

It would be a drastic step: Declaring the teacher and county employees pension plans bankrupt so that the inviolable contract covering retirement benefits could be completely renegotiated.

But that’s an option one consultant thinks state lawmakers should consider as they develop a plan to address the unfunded liabilities in Kentucky’s public employee retirement systems.

Gordon Hamlin is a retired lawyer-turned-pension expert living in Alabama. His firm, Pro Bono Public Pensions, consults on retirement issues across the country. He’s in Kentucky to discuss ways to resolve the state’s pension crisis, and he shared some of those ideas on KET’s Connections.
 

 
Hamlin is a Harvard-trained lawyer who specialized in antitrust and consumer law for a large Atlanta firm. From 1989 to 1996, he represented Kentucky’s public school districts in milk bid-rigging cases that resulted $15 million being returned to those schools.

In retirement, Hamlin has studied the finances of retirement and pension plans through an online course at Stanford Graduate School of Business. His Pro Bono Public Pensions is a non-profit organization with board members that include a former chief actuary at the U.S. Social Security Administration and a former chief investment advisor for North Carolina’s public employee pension plan. The organization takes no pay for its services, but does ask that its consultants’ expenses be paid.

In reviewing Kentucky’s pension crisis, Hamlin says he is working with former state Attorney General Fred Cowan, a Democrat, and former Oldham County Judge-Executive Duane Murner, a Republican who was a president of Commonwealth Life Insurance Company.

“All three of us believe this is not a Democratic or Republican issue,” Hamlin says. “This is an issue that effects everybody in Kentucky and we just want to help.”

“Impairing the Inviolable Contract”
In late August, representatives of the PFM Group gave lawmakers their recommendations for fixing the state retirement plans, which are mired in unfunded liabilities totaling between $35 and $80 billion. They suggested increasing the retirement age for most state workers, moving new hires into 401(k)-type retirement plans, and clawing back cost-of-living adjustments earned by retirees between 1996 and 2012.

Hamlin says he concurs with most of PFM’s financial calculations, although he says did find a few small mistakes. But he differs with PFM, Gov. Matt Bevin, and others who advocate moving new state employees into 401(k)-type defined contribution plans. He says such plans aren’t reliable as a primary vehicle for retirement savings given the substantial losses many 401(k)s sustained during the financial crisis.

As for PFM’s other recommendations, Hamlin says many of those ideas would violate the contract that spells out the specific benefits employees are promised upon retirement. Given the binding nature of that inviolable contract, Hamlin sees only one option for those in the Kentucky Teachers’ Retirement System (KTRS) and the County Employees Retirement System (CERS).

“The only way, in my opinion, that this is going to get resolved is by voluntarily impairing the inviolable contract,” Hamlin says. “This is going to have to be resolved in a Chapter 9 bankruptcy proceeding.”

Chapter 9 gives financially strapped cities, counties, school districts, and other local government subdivisions protection from their creditors while they develop a plan for addressing their debts. (Hamlin says this strategy wouldn’t work for state employees because states can’t file for bankruptcy.)

Reorganization and Renegotiation
Under Hamlin’s scheme, each municipality and school district would already have a reorganization plan in place when they file for bankruptcy. Current employees and retirees as well as legislators would pre-approve that plan so the bankruptcy judge would have no reason to deny the reorganization.

“Once you’ve got the plan, then you tell the school districts, the new rule is that you’re going to have to pay the pension contributions,” says Hamlin. “That’s the way most states do it as part of their local budgets…. So there will need to be some extra money flowing to school districts to be sure.”

Since retirement benefits can then be renegotiated, Hamlin recommends moving towards what he calls a shared risk pension plan. Modeled on public retirement plans in Canada, shared risk pensions ask employees to have longer working careers. Their benefits are calculated on a total career average formula, not just the last few years before the individual retires. The plan also eliminates cost-of-living adjustments except during periods of strong economic growth.

Hamlin admits his ideas can seem daunting and complicated. But he says once one school district or municipality completes a successful bankruptcy reorganization of its pension obligations, all the other communities and schools can follow the same template.

“It sounds threatening, but if you’ve followed the process correctly, then at the end of the day people should say this is the plan we can support,” Hamlin says. “This is going to improve the state’s bond ratings, it’s going to reduce our unfunded liabilities, it’s going to give us cost-of-living adjustments as the economy does well, so we all share in the upside and to some extent we share in the downside.”

Another way to stabilize the pension plans is to review the investment strategies. Hamlin notes that the Canadian plans have gotten excellent returns by investing in infrastructure projects worldwide. They also work to maintain 120 percent funding of their plans so that they have a financial cushion during economic downturns.

As for generating more revenues to help pay down Kentucky’s pension obligations, Hamlin says state lawmakers could consider taxing Social Security payments, 401(k) distributions, military and federal employee retirements and other forms of pension income. He says that represents about $1 billion that’s currently going untaxed in the commonwealth.

Hamlin says Kentucky has the second worst funded pension system in the nation, lagging only Illinois, which he says has $500 billion in pension liabilities. Whatever approach lawmakers in the commonwealth pursue, Hamlin praises state officials for finally making retirement reform a top priority.

“Gov. Bevin is to be commended for raising this issue in the public consciousness,” Hamlin says. “We might disagree with the approach that’s been taken, but it is vitally important to have all this out and aired in a public setting.”

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