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JCPS Superintendent Marty Pollio

Host Renee Shaw talks with Jefferson County Public Schools Superintendent Marty Pollio about state lawmaker efforts that could restructure or split up the district, concerns about school transportation, student discipline, rebounding from learning loss, budget and administration costs and more.
Season 19 Episode 21 Length 26:36 Premiere: 03/17/24

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

Host Renee Shaw smiling in a green dress with a KET set behind her.

Superintendent of Louisville’s School System Responds to Criticism from Legislators, Discusses Teacher and Bus Driver Shortages

When the Jefferson County Public Schools system faces criticism from state lawmakers, Marty Pollio says he takes those comments personally. Both of his parents were JCPS teachers, and Pollio worked two decades in the district as an educator and principal. For the past seven years, he has been superintendent of what is the state’s largest school system.

“I care about JCPS and I’m going to defend it and the 17,000 employees and 96,000 students,” says Pollio. “I’m going to be a staunch defender of that at every chance I get.”

Tensions between Republican legislators and JCPS administrators have been rising for months amid concerns of financial management, transportation challenges, student discipline problems, and lingering achievement gaps among students.

Pollio acknowledges that the district has unresolved issues, but he contends some of the attacks are “false narratives.” He says his schools have also made significant gains on academic achievement. He also argues JCPS performs comparably to many other school districts around the state and similar-sized systems across the United States.

“We’ve got a long way to go, there is no doubt,” he says, “but we have laid the foundation for great outcomes to come in the near future.”

JCPS Budget Reserves and Administrative Costs

In a floor speech in late February, Senate President Robert Stivers (R-Manchester) accused JCPS of stockpiling $340 million in cash reserves while administrators complain they don’t get enough money from the state. Stivers said the district shouldn’t need more than $40 or $50 million in reserves.

Pollio says the district did have $340 million on hand at the end of fiscal year 2022, which he partially attributes to remaining COVID pandemic relief funds from the federal government. He says the district is using that money for payroll and other expenses before the district receives its annual allotment of property tax revenues. The superintendent also says keeping $40 or $50 million in reserves would be imprudent because that amount would only cover one biweekly payroll cycle.

Finally, Pollio contends the percentage of funds JCPS keeps in reserve is actually far less than other Kentucky school districts, including Stivers’ home district of Clay County.

“You can go around the state and see that other districts are almost double JCPS, so why target JCPS alone?” Pollio asks.

Stivers also questioned why JCPS wasn’t spending more to build additional schools and improve student transportation. The district made headlines last August when busing challenges on the first day of school left some children not being returned home until late in the evening.

Pollio says many school districts around the state and nation are facing severe student transportation issues. He says JCPS is already spending $90 million more than it takes in because it pays bus drivers a premium to keep them on the job. A decade ago, the district had 950 drivers, according to Pollio. Now it’s down to 550.

The superintendent says the average bus driver pay in Jefferson County is $57,000 a year, but some make more than $100,000. He says that level of spending will bring the district to a “fiscal cliff” in the next two to three years without additional support.

As for the issue of building new schools, Pollio says JCPS has opened four new schools in the past two years and plans to construct 20 new schools in the next decade. He says that will put the district on pace to do more building than it has done since the 1960s.

Finally, Pollio repudiates allegations that JCPS has a bloated central office. JCPS spends $100 per pupil on administrative costs, which he says is the lowest figure of any district in the state, according to Kentucky Department of Education. In comparison, the state’s second largest district, Fayette County, spends $225 per pupil on administration. Bowling Green Independent Schools spend $456 per student.

“If we focus on the facts, I’m ok with that and I can address those things,” says Pollio, “but it’s just the narratives that I believe are false that is a problem for me.”

Lawmakers Call for an Audit and Task Force

State Rep. Ken Fleming, a Louisville Republican, has proposed creating a task force to review the performance and governance of Kentucky school districts with more than 75,000 students, of which only JCPS would qualify. One thing such a group would study is whether Jefferson County would benefit from being split into multiple school districts.

Pollio says he has no problem with ordering a commission to study his district – as long as it’s a fair review. He says if Fleming is concerned about student outcomes, then every district with comparable or worse outcomes to JCPS needs to be studied. He says graduation rates and postsecondary readiness rates in the district are higher than ever. Pollio also points to a recent study by Harvard and Stanford Universities that put JCPS among the top urban school districts nationwide in terms of recovery from COVID on reading and math scores.

If a task force is formed, Pollio argues the panel must include representatives of all the Jefferson County stakeholders, including people of color. He contends that politicians alone aren’t qualified to evaluate the JCPS performance.

“I think the makeup of the commission clearly tells the story of whether this would be a witch hunt or not,” the superintendent says. “Someone needs to be on this commission to say, ‘I’m sorry, that’s not true.’”

The state budget proposed by House Republicans includes $1.5 million for Kentucky Auditor Allison Ball’s office to conduct a comprehensive audit of JCPS. Pollio says the district has already had six audits during his seven-year tenure as superintendent. He says he’s not opposed to another review as long as it’s not politically motivated and presents an honest assessment of the district. But he does worry that an audit would drain time from his central office staff that would be better devoted to their regular jobs.

“For example, our HR team will spend days, weeks, hours, months preparing for an audit.... as opposed to hiring teachers and bus drivers,” he says.

Instead of spending state dollars on audits and task forces, Pollio says lawmakers should focus on boosting student attendance and addressing the shortage of teachers and bus drivers. He says dire consequences await public education without a long-term solution to employee pay.

“For me, the budget ask is more about how do we compensate our teachers and our bus drivers to ensure that 10 years from now we don’t have a class size of 50 kids in a classroom,” says Pollio.

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