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Assessing the Governor's Budget

Bill and his guests discuss the state budget. Scheduled guests: State Rep. Rick Rand, D-Bedford, chair of the House Appropriations and Revenue Committee; State Sen. Christian McDaniel, R-Taylor Mill, chair of the Senate Appropriations and Revenue Committee; State Sen. Morgan McGarvey, D-Louisville; and State Rep. Steven Rudy, R-Paducah.
Season 23 Episode 11 Length 56:33 Premiere: 02/01/16

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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The Proposed Budget: Room for Compromise?

When Gov. Matt Bevin unveiled his state budget last week, he put an optimistic spin on the work that lies ahead for legislators to approve a spending plan.

“I’ve put forward a budget that, frankly, should make it easy for those in the House and Senate to agree,” Bevin said. “We’ve exempted things that are contentious, we’ve funded things that everybody agrees need to be funded… This will afford you the ability to get this done in short order.”

If only it were that easy.

The chairs of the House and Senate budget committees, along with two members of those panels, appeared on KET’s Kentucky Tonight to discuss Bevin’s proposal and the areas where that plan might hit some snags.

First Impressions
The panel credits Bevin for making payments to the public employee and teacher retirement systems a priority for this budget. Senate Appropriations and Revenue Committee Chairman Chris McDaniel (R-Taylor Mill) says lawmakers knew the day would come when they could no longer ignore the pension problem.

“The governor has taken some very bold steps to begin to address the biggest financial concerns of the commonwealth while still investing in our most vulnerable citizens and in those most in need of help in the educational system,” McDaniel says.

Despite the dire nature of the pension issue, Rep. Rick Rand (D-Bedford) says he’s experienced far worse budget cycles since becoming chair of the House Appropriations and Revenue Committee in 2009. He says his primary concern with Bevin’s proposal is that it once again cuts many agencies and programs that have lost funding every biennium since the recession. Rand says he’s especially concerned about how the various cabinets will make the 4.5 percent cuts Bevin called for in the remainder of the current fiscal year, and then implement an additional 9 percent in reductions over the next two fiscal years without firing employees.

A fellow member of the House budget panel, Rep. Steven Rudy (R-Paducah), says the governor laid out a good fiscal plan, which lawmakers should seriously consider. Rudy acknowledges that the proposal lacks many details, especially when it comes to the possibility of layoffs.

“I’ve been told that [Bevin] has instructed his cabinet secretaries to make these [cuts] as easy on state employees and personnel as possible,” Rudy says. “He wants them to identify and eliminate inefficiencies and make reductions in programs that do not provide strong results.”

Sen. Morgan McGarvey (D-Louisville) says he’s glad that Bevin recognized the “three-alarm fire” the unfunded liabilities in the public pension systems represent. He also praised Bevin’s call to increase investments in certain areas, such as hiring more public defenders and boosting the pay of social workers. But the Senate budget committee member says that’s only half of the equation.

“Where money has been added… those are good additions in the budget,” says McGarvey. “But you have to look at the cuts. The cuts will also affect a lot of people in a lot of real and meaningful ways… We have to be careful about how that impacts Kentuckians not just now but in the future.”

Pension Payments
The governor’s plan allocates about $1.1 billion to the Kentucky Employees Retirement System and the Kentucky Teachers’ Retirement System over the next two years.  McDaniel says that represents the actuarially requirement payments for those two plans, plus additional monies for the systems.

But the appropriation for teacher pensions represents only about two-thirds of what KTRS requested for this budget cycle. If addressing the debts is such a high priority for the governor, Rep. Rand wonders why Bevin didn’t propose to pay more on the pension liabilities rather than setting millions aside into a so-called “permanent fund” to be used for later pension payments.

Rep. Rudy says the payment to KTRS is significant because it starts addressing that liability without incurring any new debt for the state, as a bonding plan proposed by House Democrats would. Rudy also applauds Bevin for requesting audits of the retirement systems before allocating any further money or suggesting structural changes to the plans.

In addition to making a down payment on the pension liabilities, Sen. McDaniel says the $1.1 billion allocation tells credit rating agencies that Kentucky is getting its financial house in order. He says the state needs favorable ratings from those entities to get better interest rates on bond issues, which the commonwealth needs for large-scale projects.

But Rep. Rand contends the state can’t continue to forgo critical investments just to keep Wall Street happy.

“We have to be mindful that the bonding agencies are only really looking at our credit-worthiness, which is very important,” Rand says. “But at the same time we have to look at how we move this state forward in terms of education, in terms of health care, in terms of our biggest needs.”

Education and Workforce Development
The public education headlines from the governor’s spending plan highlighted three key areas: base funding (called SEEK) for primary and secondary education would not be cut; starting in 2018, higher education funding would evolve towards an outcomes-based model; and Bevin wants to bond $100 million for workforce development programs.

The Republicans and Democrats on the panel disagree over what these changes will mean for state schools colleges and universities. Rep. Rudy says Bevin’s plan holds SEEK funding “harmless,” while Sen. McGarvey says it’s not harmless to keep base dollars the same after all the various cuts educators faced during the recession years while operational expenses continued to increase.

Rep. Rand says he’s grateful Bevin didn’t cut SEEK dollars, but he points out that the governor’s plan still calls for funding reductions for preschool programs, family and youth resource centers, and other extended school services.

Sen. McDaniel takes a different perspective on the public school funding issue.

“The SEEK per-pupil [funding] is actually held constant while the governor still invests another $590 million in the teachers’ retirement system, which is, in essence, an investment in our classrooms,” McDaniel says. “It’s an investment in the people who care for our children every single day.”

As for shifting public universities and colleges to outcomes-based (or performance-based) funding, Rand says starting that phase-in in 2018 doesn’t give those institutions enough time to make what he calls a dramatic change to their business model. Even before that happens, higher education will face another round of funding cuts under Bevin’s plan.

McGarvey says those cuts are severe, especially considering the budget hits that higher education has taken since 2008. He says the reductions end up creating a de facto tax increase on students and parents who end up paying higher tuitions.

McDaniel questions why tuitions at state schools have increased more than the budget for higher education has been cut. He contends that those institutions have plenty of other funding sources, from federal grants to their own endowments, which means that state budget reductions shouldn’t always result in tuition increases for students. McDaniel wants to investigate the value of course and degree offerings at the schools, and review whether college and university administrations have become too bloated.

Gov. Bevin also proposed $100 million in bonding to create more job training opportunities around the state. Chairmen McDaniel and Rand agree that workforce development is a critical part of boosting the state’s economy, but they say lawmakers won’t endorse such a bond issue without much more detail on how the money would be managed and spent.

New Revenues Through Tax Reform
State officials have slashed about $1.7 billion in spending since the start of the recession, and Bevin proposes another $650 million in cuts for the next biennium. Yet the governor’s budget made no mention of boosting tax receipts as a way to help address the commonwealth’s financial woes.

“We need to look at ways to get new revenue in the commonwealth,” says Sen. McGarvey. “We need to look at tax reform, we need to make it a simpler code, we need to make it something that’s fair to business [and] individuals, but can certainly grow our economy in a meaningful way.”

Republicans McDaniel and Rudy say the push for tax reform must start in the governor’s office. Rep. Rudy warns, though, that such reforms will have winners and losers and he says he’s leery of ending tax credits and exemptions that have benefited Kentuckians over the years.

“If you do away with them, I can say that’s a tax increase,” says Rudy. “I’m certainly not in favor of adding sales tax to some things that are currently exempt… I’m telling you right now I’m not in favor of putting sales tax on food.”

Rep. Rand adds that there’s a political reality to trying to revamp the state’s tax codes.

“The real hard part about that is that most industries or organizations have the muscle to get [tax breaks] and the muscle to keep them,” says Rand. “It’s a fact of life in the General Assembly.”

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