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Changes to Kentucky's Medicaid

Substitute host Renee Shaw and her guests discuss Kentucky's Medicaid waiver application, which has been submitted to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Guests: State Sen. Julie Raque Adams, R-Louisville; State Sen. Reginald Thomas, D-Lexington; State Rep. Addia Wuchner, R-Florence; and State Rep. Mary Lou Marzian, D-Louisville.
Season 23 Episode 36 Length 56:33 Premiere: 09/12/16

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Policy Changes in Kentucky’s Medicaid Proposal

Last week, the administration of Gov. Matt Bevin cleared its first hurdle in an effort to overhaul Kentucky’s Medicaid program when federal regulators said the state’s waiver application had been properly submitted. Now, the plan goes into a 30-day public comment period.

The governor’s office says the state simply can’t afford the Medicaid program, and particularly the expansion enacted under previous Gov. Steve Beshear, without making changes to how it is structured. Bevin wants to require some enrollees to pay premiums and work a certain number of hours a week, and he proposes to eliminate some benefits like vision and dental coverage and funding for non-emergency medical transportation. Critics of the plan say it could result in thousands of Kentuckians who finally had health coverage for the first times in their lives returning to the ranks of the uninsured.

A panel of state legislators appeared on KET’s Kentucky Tonight to discuss the merits of Bevin’s waiver proposal. The guests were Sen. Julie Raque Adams (R-Louisville), chair of the Senate Health and Welfare Committee; Sen. Reginald Thomas (D-Lexington), member of the Senate Health and Welfare Committee; Rep. Mary Lou Marzian (D-Louisville), vice chair of the House Budget Review Subcommittee on Human Resources; and Rep. Addia Wuchner (R-Florence), vice chair of the House Health and Welfare Committee.

Fiscal Realties
Under the auspices of the Affordable Care Act, former Gov. Beshear enacted expanded Medicaid in the commonwealth by executive order in 2013. The expansion covers Kentuckians making up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level (or about $16,400 a year).

Sen. Adams says she believes the Bevin administration wants to keep the Medicaid expansion, but she says the state doesn’t have the money to continue it in its current form. She cites economic projections that show the state accruing $585 million in new revenues in the budget biennium. But, the Medicaid expansion will cost the commonwealth $587 million in that same time period, according to Adams.

“So every new dollar that comes into the state will now go to pay for the Medicaid program,” Adams says. “As compassionate people, what do we do about the education cuts, what do we do about the pension crisis? … Those are all things that have to be factored in, so we have to do Medicaid right because it’s important to the whole state.”

Advocates of the Medicaid program point to a Deloitte Consulting study that indicated the expansion would pay for itself by spurring job growth and higher tax revenues. But Adams says Deloitte predicted that 188,000 Kentuckians would enroll in the expansion by 2021. To date, some 440,000 have qualified for the expanded population. Adams contends any economic gains from expanding Medicaid will be insufficient to cover the costs of providing benefits to those actually enrolled in the program.

But the expansion has boosted the state’s economy, according to Rep. Marzian. She says more than 13,000 new jobs have been created, and health care providers have lower costs related to uncompensated care. The first years of Medicaid expansion were fully funded by the federal government, but starting in 2017 individual states will have to pay a percentage of those costs. Even with that price tag, Marzian says Medicaid expansion is still a wise investment for Kentucky.

“I’m surprised that [the GOP] is not grabbing this investment because in what stock can you get 95 percent for a 5 percent investment,” says Marzian of the Medicaid cost split between federal and state governments. “It’s a no-brainer… It’s a great return and it gives health care to folks and makes them have peace of mind.”

Premiums and Work Requirements
Marzian says the Medicaid expansion allows individuals who couldn’t afford insurance or didn’t work at jobs that provided coverage to finally get health care without the fear of personal bankruptcy. She calls the governor’s plan extreme, and hurtful to low-income individuals. Marzian also criticizes the plan for eliminating vision and dental coverage. She says children can’t learn if they have a toothache that’s not being treated.

Adams says the changes proposed by the governor are designed to cover as many Kentuckians as possible, empower them to make better health care decisions, and spend taxpayer dollars more wisely. Adams contends the changes requested in the state’s Medicaid waiver proposal target only able-bodied individuals with no dependents. The goal, Adams says, is to improve health outcomes and enable people to eventually move off Medicaid into a commercial insurance plan.

But Sen. Reginald Thomas argues that the governor’s plan will lead to the end of Medicaid expansion and deny insurance coverage to impoverished Kentuckians.

“Under Gov. Bevin’s plan, we’re going to lose 88,000 people out of the 440,000 we now cover under Medicaid expansion,” Thomas says. “I don’t see how that is compassionate under any circumstance… These people have a hard enough time as it is.”

Thomas says making Medicaid recipients pay premiums ranging from $1 to $15 a month will be too burdensome on low-income individuals already struggling to pay for food, housing, and transportation. He also questions the usefulness of a work requirement, because he says most low-income enrollees already have some form of employment.

Rep. Addia Wuchner disputes that 88,000 people will lose their coverage. Instead, she believes that as individuals get jobs and earn more income, they will transition off of Medicaid into employer-provided coverage or purchase their own policies. She says the governor and his staff have spent considerable time trying to figure out how to help Kentuckians with limited incomes improve their health and economic prospects.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services have rejected work requirements proposed in waiver applications from other states. Wuchner says Bevin’s plan doesn’t specifically include a work requirement. She says it’s more of an engagement requirement to incentivize able-bodied individuals without dependents to be active in their communities by volunteering for a non-profit, going to school, getting job training, or taking a health assessment. Those activities will also earn enrollees credits that can be used to purchase additional health care services not covered by the revamped Medicaid program.

“This is, in a sense, welfare-to-work,” Wuchner says. “Let’s help these people get back to work, perhaps get into an education program, get their GED. [This program] wants the best for Kentuckians.”

As for the goal of transitioning people off Medicaid and into commercial insurance plans either through Kynect or through an employer, Thomas says he fears that the coverage won’t be as good as what is offered through Medicaid. He argues that individuals may face limited provider networks and higher prescription costs under private plans. (The governor’s plan does include some wrap-around benefits to fill the gap between what an individual had under Medicaid and what their commercial insurance plan may lack.)

The state will have to set up an infrastructure to collect the premiums and track compliance with requirements proposed in Bevin’s plan. Wuchner admits lawmakers don’t have an estimate for those administrative costs, but she says the state already has to track similar benefit criteria, such as a work requirement for some individuals who receive food stamps. Marzian contends that those administrative costs will ultimately total more than the state will collect in premium payments.

Other Components of the Bevin Plan
The four legislators agree on one part of Bevin’s plan which concentrates on better regulation of managed care organizations. Wuchner contends MCOs in the commonwealth were making more profits than those operating in other states. Now that those contracts have been renegotiated, Wuchner says MCOs are making less profits, which means more money is going to patient care.

Adams says getting MCOs to pay their fair share will help lure much-needed health care providers to the state. And Thomas says Bevin should be applauded for refocusing MCO payments on healthy outcomes rather than on the total volume of patients served.

The governor’s plan also eliminates stipends for those who need transportation to non-emergency medical appointments. Thomas says that will hurt those without a car or who live in communities without public transportation. Plus, he argues that it goes against the federal government’s requirement that any Medicaid waiver submitted must result in better health coverage and improved access to care.

Wuchner says the governor’s staff decided to cut the transportation funding because they determined the number of people in the expanded Medicaid population using the service didn’t justify the cost of providing it.

What’s Next
After the 30-day comment period, federal officials will decide whether to accept or reject Kentucky’s waiver application. If it is rejected, the Bevin administration can negotiate with HHS and CMS to arrive at a waiver plan on which both sides agree. Gov. Bevin had previously said he would simply end Kentucky’s Medicaid expansion if HHS rejects the state’s proposal.

Adams and Wuchner say they think the governor will try to negotiate with federal officials should they reject the state’s initial request. But Thomas and Marzian are less optimistic about Bevin’s willingness to make changes to his proposal.

Thomas says the governor has been adamant in wanting an overhaul that includes a work requirement, premiums, and a lock-out period for those who fall into arrears on their payments. The Democratic senator says it’s time to take the Republican governor at his word for promising to reverse the health care reforms enacted by his predecessor.

However the process unfolds, Adams says she hopes the legislature will have more input into the future of health care in the commonwealth than it did when former Gov. Beshear originally enacted expanded Medicaid and the health insurance exchange Kynect.

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