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Debate Over Jobs and Wages

A discussion about how jobs and wages may be impacted by overtime compensation revisions from the Department of Labor and legislation passed in the General Assembly. Guests: Ashli Watts from the Kentucky Chamber of Commerce; Anna Baumann from the Kentucky Center for Economic Policy; Julia Crigler from Americans for Prosperity; and Caitlin Lally from United Food and Commercial Workers Local 227.
Season 23 Episode 27 Length 56:33 Premiere: 06/06/16

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KET’s Kentucky Tonight, hosted by Renee Shaw, brings together an expert panel for in-depth analysis of major issues facing the Commonwealth.

This weekly program features comprehensive discussions with lawmakers, stakeholders and policy leaders that are moderated by award-winning journalist Renee Shaw.

For nearly three decades, Kentucky Tonight has been a source for complete and balanced coverage of the most urgent and important public affairs developments in the state of Kentucky.

Often aired live, viewers are encouraged to participate by submitting questions in real-time via email, Twitter or KET’s online form. Viewers with questions and comments may send an email to kytonight@ket.org or use the contact form. All messages should include first and last name and town or county. The phone number for viewer calls during the program is 800-494-7605.

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Policy Debate Over Jobs and Wages

A new overtime regulation from the U.S. Department of Labor set to take effect Dec. 1 2016, could impact some 55,000 Kentucky workers. The new rules aim to boost the take home pay of middle class workers – or give them more free time and put an end to uncompensated hours.

Meanwhile state lawmakers continue to debate the merits of increasing Kentucky’s minimum wage above the federal level and legislation regarding right to work.

Monday’s Kentucky Tonight on KET explored how these issues could affect employees and employers in the state. The guests were Anna Baumann, research and policy associate at the Kentucky Center for Economic Policy; Caitlin Lally, communications director for United Food and Commercial Workers Local 227; Julia Crigler, state director of Americans for Prosperity; and Ashli Watts, vice president of public affairs for the Kentucky Chamber of Commerce.

More Workers Set to Earn Overtime
Last month the Department of Labor announced that the threshold/baseline for salaried, white-collar workers to earn overtime pay would double. Currently, employees making a salary of less than $455 a week (or $23,660 a year) qualify for time-and-a-half pay when they work more than 40 hours a week. As of December 1, workers with a weekly salary of $913 (or $47,476 annually) or less will be eligible for overtime. The new rule also calls for the threshold to be automatically adjusted every three years.

Federal officials say the change will impact 4.2 million employees nationally.

Under the new rules, employers can:

  • Pay employees (at and below the new baseline) time-and-a half for overtime work (+40 hours)
  • Raise employees’ salaries above the threshold to avoid having to pay overtime.
  • Limit workers’ hours to no more than 40 hours a week.

“The reason the raise is almost doubling is because it’s only been raised once since 1975, and the current level, $23,660, is below the poverty line for a family of four,” says union representative Caitlin Lally. “So this is something that’s way overdue.”

While the threshold level for overtime hadn’t changed in four decades, the number of salaried workers who qualify to earn overtime has. The Kentucky Center for Economic Policy’s Anna Baumann says 60 percent of salaried workers got overtime pay in the mid-1970s. Now she says only 8 percent qualify for it.

“I think all around it’s a good policy change,” says Baumann. “It will help our middle class grow, it will protect people’s work-life balance, it will make workers more productive, and that will be good for business [and] it will be good for the economy.”

White-Collar Professionals Risk Losing Flexibility
Even before the new overtime rule was finalized, Republican lawmakers introduced legislation in the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate meant to stymie the increase. The Protecting Workplace Advancement and Opportunity Act, which is backed by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and many state chambers, calls for a more thorough economic analysis of any overtime rule change and would prevent an automatic increase of the threshold every three years.

“We just need to understand that government wage mandates are really no substitute for economic growth,” says Ashli Watts of the Kentucky Chamber of Commerce.

Watts agrees that a change to the overtime threshold is overdue, but she says business leaders see the immediate doubling of the cap as too drastic. Instead, Watts says the increase should be phased in over several years. Plus she contends the rule change will “unprofessionalize” white-collar careers when those workers are forced to punch a time clock and lose the scheduling flexibility they may have previously had at work.

The rule applies to those working in public sector and government jobs and well as individuals employed by small businesses and non-profit organizations. But a number of job classes are exempt from the new rule, including teachers, doctors, and lawyers as well as certain computer employees and outside salespeople. Julia Crigler of Americans for Prosperity in Kentucky says the exemptions prove the rule will have an adverse economic impact.

“If we’re exempting some employers and not all, why?” Crigler asks. “Are those employers just better able to afford the lobbying capacity to exempt them, and if it’s bad for some employers, wouldn’t it be bad for all employers?”

Finding the Money to Pay More Overtime
Businesses do have some flexibility in how they implement the new rule. Employers can pay any overtime earned, or they can limit a worker’s time to 40 hours a week and shift the extra job duties to other employees or new hires. They can also increase the employee’s salary to above the threshold so that individual would no longer qualify for overtime pay. Or the employer can reclassify a particular job or adjust the salary to limit their overall payroll expenses.

Whichever route an employer chooses, Crigler and Watts says the additional compensation will have to come from somewhere.

“These wages aren’t going to come from CEO pay,” Crigler says. “These wages are going to come from hours being cut back, benefits being cut back. … The very people that this is intended to help is exactly who it’s going to hurt.”

“Our businesses are telling us that to simply stay in business in this kind of tepid economy, they’re going to keep compensation the same,” adds Watts.

For their part, Lally and Baumann contend that the new rule should benefit employees who might receive more pay or get more time away from work to spend with their families or pursue other interests.

“The overtime issue is just part of a larger conversation that’s going on right now around scheduling … and work-life balance,” Lally says.

Plus Baumann says there can be consequences for employers who don’t compensate their employees fairly.

“If they do lose benefits or if their salary is cut, then in a tighter labor market there are more options for them and employers risk losing [experienced employees] and they would have to deal with the costs of hiring and training new workers,” Baumann says.

Other Wage Issues
Other local, state, and federal policies can affect the paychecks of workers. While Frankfort lawmakers continue to debate a minimum wage increase in the commonwealth, officials in Lexington and Louisville have approved raises for employees who make the minimum wage in those communities. Watts says the Kentucky Chamber generally opposes mandated wage increases, but she says their members are actually mixed on the issue since many employers in the state already pay above the current federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.

Right-to-work legislation frees employees from the mandate that they join or pay fees to a union that operates at their place of work. Kentucky is the only southern state without a right-to-work law, which many Republicans and business leaders say hurts economic development prospects in the commonwealth. Lally contends the state has done well in attracting jobs despite not having right-to-work. Plus she says workers in right-to-work states earn about $1,500 less per year and have less access to employer-sponsored health insurance than their counterparts in states that don’t have that designation.

Watts says many businesses don’t even consider locating in Kentucky because it’s not right-to-work. Crigler contends the state gets by without right-to-work because it offers so many tax breaks and other economic incentives to lure businesses and jobs to the commonwealth. She contends such examples of “corporate welfare” should be eliminated as part of a greater overhaul of Kentucky’s tax system.

All four of the panelists agree that tax reform is overdue, even though Watts says it will be difficult for lawmakers to agree on how to balance cutting taxes with generating revenue. Baumann says a tax overhaul should raise new funds for services that will help families and communities thrive but not exacerbate income inequality. Lally adds that tax revenues could be used for better workforce training programs and infrastructure improvements.

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