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Same-Sex Marriage

Bill and his guests discuss same-sex marriage. Scheduled guests: Chris Hartman, director of the Fairness Campaign; Martin Cothran, senior policy analyst for The Family Foundation of Kentucky; Dan Canon, a Louisville lawyer; and Stan Cave, a Lexington lawyer.
Season 21 Episode 31 Length 56:33 Premiere: 07/13/14

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

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Gay Marriage Debate Heads to Federal Appeals Court

Even as an increasing number of judges strikes down bans against same-sex marriage, the issue remains hotly contested in many states around the country.

Another round in that debate unfolded on Monday’s edition of Kentucky Tonight, as the panel discussed two recent rulings by U. S. District Judge John Heyburn.

In February, Heyburn ruled that Kentucky must recognize gay marriages legally performed in other states. Then, earlier this month, he ruled that Kentucky’s law banning same-sex unions was unconstitutional. (Heyburn also issued a stay preventing any such marriages from occurring until appeals can be heard.)

State Attorney General Jack Conway declined to fight the decisions, but Gov. Steve Beshear has hired outside counsel to appeal the rulings on behalf of the state. The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati is scheduled to hear those arguments as well as similar cases from Michigan, Ohio, and Tennessee on August 6.

Arguments for a Ban
On Kentucky Tonight, attorney Stan Cave and policy analyst Martin Cothran of The Family Foundation of Kentucky argue that marriage between one man and one woman as defined in the 2004 amendment to the Kentucky constitution is the best environment for raising children. Cave says his amicus brief filed for the appeal cites 35 studies showing that children raised by a mother and father in the home do better than those reared by same-sex couples.

“It doesn’t mean that it’s going to work perfectly every time, and it doesn’t mean that children of same sex couples cannot do well,” Cave explains. “But there is a rational basis for steering heterosexual couples into a marriage for the benefit of the children and society as a whole.”

While the Constitution doesn’t specifically reference any kind of marriage, Cave argues that states have generally been granted the right to regulate domestic relations. He references Justice Anthony Kennedy’s majority opinion in the 2013 U.S. Supreme Court decision in United States v. Windsor to strike down the federal Defense of Marriage Act, in which Kennedy said marriage issues should be the “exclusive province” of sovereign states. Therefore, Cave argues, federal judges shouldn’t interfere with how states choose to define marriage.

Cave also points to long-standing American traditions, saying there is no fundamental right granted in the U.S. Constitution or in the history of the country that allows same-sex couples to wed. Yet he and Cothran contend the rational basis for steering heterosexual couples toward marriage – to procreate the species and create a stable family life – makes defining marriage between a man and woman constitutional.

“The only interest that government has in marriage is that it benefits society, and that it benefits children through marital relationships,” Cothran says.

Arguments for Same-Sex Marriage
Louisville attorney Dan Canon, who represents same-sex couples wanting to marry, challenges the child welfare studies listed in the Family Foundation’s court brief. He says at least one of the studies has been debunked, while other studies referenced in the brief say children do better in two parent homes without specifying the gender of the parents.

Chris Hartman, director of the Fairness Campaign, argues that part of giving children a safe and healthy home life is protecting the rights of the parents. That includes ensuring that both parents can be legal caregivers, and that medical and survivor benefits will accrue to children of same-sex couples. Without a legal definition of marriage that includes same-sex couples, Hartman contends LGBT families would have to purse lengthy and costly legal battles to attain the myriad of privileges that automatically go to heterosexual couples when they marry.

“Conservative and liberal judges alike are moving in the same direction on this issue, recognizing that it’s unconstitutional to deny LGBT families the same rights that all other families enjoy in America,” Hartman says.

Canon and Hartman emphasize that the right to marry shouldn’t be based on gender of the spouses any more than it should be based on race or religion. They cite the 1967 U.S. Supreme Court decision striking down Virginia’s ban on interracial marriages. Canon says that historical precedent or traditional ideas about procreation don’t provide a sufficient legal rationale to preclude gay couples from getting married.

“We’re talking about restricting an entire group of people from the ability to exercise a right that the Supreme Court has identified as fundamental,” Canon argues. “This is about regulating gays and lesbians because people… don’t like them.”

The 14th Amendment
A key part of federal Judge John Heyburn’s decisions on the Kentucky gay marriage ban centers on the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The panel on Kentucky Tonight debated that point and the greater impact of Heyburn’s rulings.

Cases Move to Higher Court
Attorneys for both sides of the Kentucky cases will have 15 minutes to present their arguments to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals next month. The court will hear five separate same-sex marriage cases that day.

Attorney Stan Cave expects the judges to overturn Heyburn’s decisions. If the cases make it to the U.S. Supreme Court, Cave says he believes those justices will rule 5-4 in favor of traditional marriage.

Dan Canon, the attorney representing gay couples, says if the appellate court is able to analyze the case law and respect the Constitution, then they will uphold the Heyburn rulings.

The opinions expressed on Kentucky Tonight and in this program synopsis are the responsibility of the participants and do not necessarily reflect those of KET.

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