Skip to Main Content

Challenges Facing Kentucky Schools

Renee Shaw and guests discuss challenges facing Kentucky schools. Guests include: State Rep. James Tipton (R-Taylorsville), chair of the House Education Committee; State Rep. Tina Bojanowski (D-Louisville) and an educator with Jefferson County Public Schools; Brigitte Blom, president & CEO of the Prichard Committee for Academic Excellence; and Andrew Vandiver, president of EdChoice Kentucky.
Season 30 Episode 9 Length 56:35 Premiere: 04/17/23

About

Kentucky Tonight

KET’s Kentucky Tonight, hosted by Renee Shaw, brings together an expert panel for in-depth analysis of major issues facing the Commonwealth.

This weekly program features comprehensive discussions with lawmakers, stakeholders and policy leaders that are moderated by award-winning journalist Renee Shaw.

For nearly three decades, Kentucky Tonight has been a source for complete and balanced coverage of the most urgent and important public affairs developments in the state of Kentucky.

Often aired live, viewers are encouraged to participate by submitting questions in real-time via email, Twitter or KET’s online form. Viewers with questions and comments may send an email to kytonight@ket.org or use the contact form. All messages should include first and last name and town or county. The phone number for viewer calls during the program is 800-494-7605.

After the broadcast, Kentucky Tonight programs are available on KET.org and via podcast (iTunes or Android). Files are normally accessible within 24 hours after the television broadcast.

Kentucky Tonight was awarded a 1997 regional Emmy by the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. The series was also honored with a 1995 regional Emmy nomination.

To purchase a DVD:
Call 800-945-9167 or email shop@ket.org.


Tune-In

KET Mondays • 8/7 pm

Stream

Watch on KET’s website anytime or through the PBS Video App.

Podcast

The Kentucky Tonight podcast features each episode’s audio for listening.


Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

Host Renee Shaw smiling in a green dress with a KET set behind her.

Panelists Discuss Education Policies, Strategies for Hiring More Teachers, and Charter Schools

As the dust settles from the 2023 General Assembly, the state’s public school districts are preparing to implement policy changes mandated by new education-related laws passed this session.

Several of those bills contained emergency clauses, which means they are to be implemented immediately. Senate Bill 5 deals with school materials that could be considered harmful to minors, and Senate Bill 150 deals with policies regarding LGBTQ+ students, and instruction around human sexuality and gender identity.

On Monday, the Kentucky Department of Education released its guidance to the state’s 171 school districts for implementing these measures. Education Commissioner Jason Glass cautioned district officials that that guidance won’t answer every question administrators and teachers may have about the new policies.

“Many pieces of this legislation… leave lots of unknowns about how these laws are going to be enacted in schools,” said Glass. “We at KDE do not have the authority to answer, directly or definitively, many of the good questions that you have about these new laws… Some of these questions ultimately may be decided in court or by clarifying future legislation.”

Among the potential challenges for implementing SB 150 is how some provisions could conflict with federal law. For example, a provision that gives parents access to their child’s school record may run afoul of the federal Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, which says a parent’s right to access student records ends when the child turns 18. Other provisions dealing with LGBTQ+ students could be at odds with current or proposed Title IX regulations, according to the guidance.

“Where there is a direct conflict, essentially almost always the federal law is supreme over state law,” says Eric Kennedy, director of advocacy at the Kentucky School Boards Association. “You will try to implement the state laws that become effective unless and until there’s a conflict with a federal law, or a new interpretation from a court that is binding comes out and always responding to that as quickly as possible.”

A potential stumbling block to SB 5 centers how parents might disagree on what constitutes materials that are offensive or harmful to children. The legislation says that includes materials that expose human genitals in an obscene manner, depict or describe sexual acts, or are “patently offensive to prevailing standards.”

“Anything that the parent or guardian feels could appeal to that prurient interest...and it’s not just curriculum,” says Kennedy. “It could be books, materials in the school, programs like guest speaker programs, events, a field trip possibly to an art museum.”

Parents concerned about such materials must submit a complaint in writing to the school principal, while districts must have a policy for resolving any such complaints.

But Rep. Tina Bojanowski, a Louisville Democrat and elementary school teacher, says neither the legislation nor the KDE’s recommendations are helpful.

“I would say that the guidance is as confusing as the law in that who’s going to decide what is patently offensive,” she says.

House Education Committee Chair James Tipton (R-Taylorsville) says he has not reviewed KDE’s guidance, but he says schools should have a “seamless transition” to the new policies. He also says it’s natural for questions and concerns to follow passage of new laws.

“If there are issues, if there are concerns, I think the General Assembly would be more than happy to take a look at those concerns and try to... address those in the 2024 session,” says Tipton.

While SB 5 and SB 150 are meant to address issues raised by lawmakers about parental input on school activities, Kentucky Association of School Administrators Executive Director Rhonda Caldwell says new policies likely aren’t necessary.

“Most of what we’re talking about is already happening from the perspective of parental input,” says Caldwell. “For many it’s a distraction in terms of what really needs to be taking place… and being focused on the bigger problems such as teacher shortages.”

Getting More Teachers in Kentucky Classrooms

Lawmakers passed legislation this year designed to reverse the state’s dwindling number of educators. House Bill 319 would make it easier for teachers licensed elsewhere to work in Kentucky. It also streamlines the job application process, expands the state’s teacher scholarship program, and creates a statewide marketing effort to attract people to the profession.

“This is not a solution,” says Tipton, who sponsored the legislation, “but these are some positive first steps that we could take.”

Looking to the 2024 General Assembly session, Tipton says he’d like to explore more supports and mentoring for new teachers, stipends for student teachers, and $5 million for the teacher scholarship program.

Gov. Andy Beshear has repeatedly called on lawmakers to increase teacher salaries. Tipton and other Republicans respond that the legislature approved record school funding last year, which school administrators can use for pay raises appropriate to their district’s needs. Beshear contends a statewide increase is necessary because he says the starting pay for teachers in Kentucky ranks 44th in the nation.

Tipton says the issue should be teacher compensation, which includes benefits and retirement, and less about their actual pay.

“When you look at the teacher compensation holistically in Kentucky, we’re a lot better than the governor’s comment of 44th in the nation,” Tipton says.

But education advocates argue that teacher pay remains a critical issue for educators and the performance of their students.

“There is nothing is more important in improving education outcomes than the quality of teacher in the classroom,” says Brigitte Blom, president and CEO of the Prichard Committee for Academic Excellence. “So let’s have that conversation and ensure Kentucky teachers’ compensation is professionally competitive.”

KASA, the school administrators organization, has launched a coalition that includes Tipton as well as other legislative, civic, and education leaders across the state to review the teacher workforce crisis and recommend solutions. In addition to recruiting and retaining the highest quality educators, Caldwell says class sizes should be manageable and respect for the profession must be restored.

The Charter School Debate

The issue of school choice didn’t gain traction in the 2023 session but is expected to get significant attention in 2024. The Kentucky Supreme Court ruled late last year that a state tax credit for donors to charter school scholarship funds was unconstitutional. Now charter advocates are proposing an amendment to the state’s constitution to change the mandate that public funds can only go to traditional public schools.

Charter school advocate Andrew Vandiver, who is president of EdChoice Kentucky, contends parents and students need these alternatives now more than ever. He says in the last three years – since the start of the COVID pandemic – more than 20,000 Kentucky children have left their traditional schools for private schools or home schooling. He argues public schools are failing many students, citing that only about half of children can read at grade level and only about a third are proficient at math.

“Those are significant challenges we’re facing with our kids. We’ve got to do something different,” says Vandiver. “Public schools are a great choice for a lot of families, but it’s not the only choice, and it shouldn’t be the only choice.”

Public school advocates acknowledge the academic performance issues among Kentucky students, but they argue charter schools aren’t the solution. Rep. Bojanowski says instead of being required to take any student, like the public school system has to do, charters can cherry pick which children they enroll.

“It’s not the parents that pick the schools, it’s the schools that pick the children,” says Bojanowski. “There is no guarantee that your child would be able to go to whatever school you want them to go.”

Even though charter schools have operated in some states for decades, Blom argues there’s been no research that confirms these private options provide a better return on investment than traditional public schools. She says that means it doesn’t make financial sense or public policy sense to invest Kentucky tax dollars in a new system of private schools.

“Our outcomes are too far behind for us to play around with strategies that are not proven to work at scale,” says Blom. “We should identify strategies that have a track record of working to improve these outcomes. Private school choice is not that strategy.”

Blom and Caldwell note that Kentucky students do have more options than before with a recent law that allows students to attend a public school outside of a home district. But Vandiver says allowing parents to pick one public school over another doesn’t actually provide any new options. He says quality charter schools do improve student outcomes, pointing to higher graduation rates and college attendance rates among Florida charter school students. He says the presence of a charter school system encourages public schools to improve and be more innovative.

“When you start giving families choices, you start... decreasing the ability of these bureaucracies to stop meaningful reforms that are going to make the public schools better,” says Vandiver.

With 25 new members in the state House of Representatives, Tipton says he’s not sure how the chamber will vote on a proposed constitutional amendment for charter school funding. While that debate plays out, Tipton says public schools must address the issue of declining enrollments and the decreasing per-pupil funding that will result.

“That is a reality that public school districts are going to have to face,” says Tipton. “They’re going to have to adjust business models to adapt to that.”

Sponsored by:

Season 30 Episodes

Lawmakers Recap the 2024 General Assembly

S30 E45 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 04/22/24

Reviewing the 2024 General Assembly

S30 E44 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 04/15/24

Final Negotiations on the State Budget

S30 E43 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 03/25/24

School Safety

S30 E42 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 03/11/24

Early Childhood Education

S30 E41 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 02/26/24

Abortion Legislation

S30 E40 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 02/19/24

School Choice and Education Issues

S30 E39 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 02/12/24

State Budget Discussion

S30 E38 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 02/05/24

Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI) in Higher Education

S30 E37 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 01/29/24

Safer Kentucky Act

S30 E36 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 01/22/24

Legislative Priorities in the 2024 General Assembly

S30 E35 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 01/08/24

Governor Andy Beshear's Budget Address

S30 E34 Length 56:36 Premiere Date 12/18/23

2024 Legislative Preview: Part Two

S30 E33 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 12/04/23

2024 Legislative Preview

S30 E32 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 11/20/23

Analysts Discuss What to Expect on Election Day 2023

S30 E31 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 11/06/23

Candidate Conversations: Lieutenant Governor

S30 E30 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 10/30/23

Candidate Conversations: Governor

S30 E29 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 10/23/23

Political Analysts Forecast the 2023 General Election

S30 E28 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 10/17/23

Secretary of State; Commissioner of Agriculture

S30 E27 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 10/09/23

Auditor of Public Accounts; State Treasurer

S30 E26 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 10/02/23

Kentucky's Economy, Jobs and Taxes

S30 E25 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 09/25/23

Higher Education in Kentucky

S30 E24 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 09/18/23

Kentucky's Health Care Challenges

S30 E23 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 09/11/23

Education Issues in Kentucky

S30 E22 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 08/21/23

Fancy Farm Preview and Kentucky Politics

S30 E21 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 07/31/23

Kentucky's Energy Needs

S30 E20 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 07/17/23

Artificial Intelligence

S30 E19 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 07/10/23

Jobs, Inflation and the Economy

S30 E18 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 06/26/23

SB 150 and LGBTQ Issues

S30 E17 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 06/19/23

Horse Racing Safety

S30 E16 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 06/12/23

A Discussion of Gun Laws

S30 E15 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 06/05/23

Recapping The 2023 Kentucky Primary

S30 E14 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 05/22/23

2023 Primary Election Preview

S30 E13 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 05/15/23

Republican Candidate for Secretary of State

S30 E12 Length 15:00 Premiere Date 05/08/23

Republican Candidates for Governor

S30 E11 Length 1:29:20 Premiere Date 05/01/23

Candidates for Treasurer and Commissioner of Agriculture

S30 E10 Length 1:15:06 Premiere Date 04/24/23

Challenges Facing Kentucky Schools

S30 E9 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 04/17/23

Policy Analysts Recap the 2023 General Assembly

S30 E8 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 04/10/23

Recap of the 2023 Kentucky General Assembly

S30 E7 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 04/03/23

Kentucky Legislation on LGBTQ+ Youth

S30 E6 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 03/20/23

Student Discipline Legislation

S30 E5 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 03/13/23

Gambling Proposals in the Kentucky General Assembly

S30 E4 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 02/27/23

Kentucky's Teacher Shortage

S30 E3 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 02/20/23

Exploring Local Government Issues

S30 E2 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 02/13/23

Child Abuse and Neglect in Kentucky

S30 E1 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 02/06/23

See All Episodes

caret down

TV Schedules

Jump to Recent Airdates

Upcoming

Kentucky Tonight - S31 E4

  • Monday April 29, 2024 8:00 pm ET on KET
  • Monday April 29, 2024 7:00 pm CT on KET
  • Tuesday April 30, 2024 6:01 am ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 30, 2024 5:01 am CT on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 30, 2024 1:00 pm ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 30, 2024 12:00 pm CT on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 30, 2024 10:30 pm ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 30, 2024 9:30 pm CT on KETKY
  • Wednesday May 1, 2024 1:00 am ET on KET
  • Wednesday May 1, 2024 12:00 am CT on KET

Kentucky Tonight - S31 E5

  • Monday May 6, 2024 8:00 pm ET on KET
  • Monday May 6, 2024 7:00 pm CT on KET
  • Tuesday May 7, 2024 6:00 am ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday May 7, 2024 5:00 am CT on KETKY
  • Tuesday May 7, 2024 1:00 pm ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday May 7, 2024 12:00 pm CT on KETKY
  • Tuesday May 7, 2024 10:30 pm ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday May 7, 2024 9:30 pm CT on KETKY
  • Wednesday May 8, 2024 1:00 am ET on KET
  • Wednesday May 8, 2024 12:00 am CT on KET

Kentucky Tonight - S31 E6

  • Monday May 20, 2024 8:00 pm ET on KET
  • Monday May 20, 2024 7:00 pm CT on KET
  • Tuesday May 21, 2024 6:00 am ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday May 21, 2024 5:00 am CT on KETKY
  • Tuesday May 21, 2024 1:00 pm ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday May 21, 2024 12:00 pm CT on KETKY
  • Tuesday May 21, 2024 10:30 pm ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday May 21, 2024 9:30 pm CT on KETKY
  • Wednesday May 22, 2024 2:00 am ET on KET
  • Wednesday May 22, 2024 1:00 am CT on KET
Jump to Upcoming Airdates

Recent

Review of the 2024 Kentucky Lawmaking Session - S31 E3

  • Wednesday April 24, 2024 5:00 am ET on KET
  • Wednesday April 24, 2024 4:00 am CT on KET
  • Wednesday April 24, 2024 1:30 am ET on KET
  • Wednesday April 24, 2024 12:30 am CT on KET
  • Tuesday April 23, 2024 9:00 pm ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 23, 2024 8:00 pm CT on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 23, 2024 1:00 pm ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 23, 2024 12:00 pm CT on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 23, 2024 6:03 am ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 23, 2024 5:03 am CT on KETKY
  • Monday April 22, 2024 8:00 pm ET on KET
  • Monday April 22, 2024 7:00 pm CT on KET

Legislative Session Recap - S31 E2

  • Wednesday April 17, 2024 5:00 am ET on KET
  • Wednesday April 17, 2024 4:00 am CT on KET
  • Wednesday April 17, 2024 1:00 am ET on KET
  • Wednesday April 17, 2024 12:00 am CT on KET
  • Tuesday April 16, 2024 9:00 pm ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 16, 2024 8:00 pm CT on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 16, 2024 1:00 pm ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 16, 2024 12:00 pm CT on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 16, 2024 6:00 am ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday April 16, 2024 5:00 am CT on KETKY
  • Monday April 15, 2024 8:00 pm ET on KET
  • Monday April 15, 2024 7:00 pm CT on KET

State Budget - S30 E44

  • Wednesday March 27, 2024 1:00 am ET on KET
  • Wednesday March 27, 2024 12:00 am CT on KET
  • Tuesday March 26, 2024 11:00 pm ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday March 26, 2024 10:00 pm CT on KETKY
  • Tuesday March 26, 2024 6:00 am ET on KETKY
  • Tuesday March 26, 2024 5:00 am CT on KETKY
  • Monday March 25, 2024 8:00 pm ET on KET
  • Monday March 25, 2024 7:00 pm CT on KET
Top

Contact

Explore KET