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Kentucky's Ban on Abortion

Renee Shaw and guests discuss Kentucky's ban on abortion after the Supreme Court overturned Roe vs. Wade. Guests: Tamarra Wieder, Kentucky state director of Planned Parenthood Alliance Advocates; Addia Wuchner executive director of Kentucky Right to Life; Rep. Nancy Tate (R- Brandenburg); and Rep. Josie Raymond (D- Louisville).
Season 29 Episode 23 Length 56:34 Premiere: 06/27/22

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KET’s Kentucky Tonight, hosted by Renee Shaw, brings together an expert panel for in-depth analysis of major issues facing the Commonwealth.

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Panelists Discuss Kentucky's Trigger Laws Outlawing Abortion After a Monumental U.S. Supreme Court Decision

With the recent United States Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, the national debate over abortion rights enters a new phase of legal and legislative battles.

In Kentucky, the federal court ruling immediately triggered a state law passed in 2019 to outlaw the procedure in the commonwealth. But then a Jefferson Circuit Court judge issued a temporary restraining order on June 30 to block that ban and another law passed by the Kentucky General Assembly that bars abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. The court order came after Planned Parenthood, the American Civil Liberties Union of Kentucky, and abortion provider EMW Women’s Surgical Center challenged both laws.

Attorney General Daniel Cameron has appealed the temporary stay, but for now abortions can continue in Kentucky.

Still the 5-4 decision among U.S. Supreme Court justices represents the culmination of decades of work by anti-abortion activists.

“They’re actually looking at the constitution and they’re saying what language is in the constitution and they’re not expanding that, and they’re not treating the constitution like it’s a living breathing document that needs to be modified for every social issue,” says state Rep. Nancy Tate (R- Brandenburg), who sponsored an omnibus abortion bill [LINK: https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/record/22rs/hb3.html] in the 2022 legislative session.

Pro-choice advocates decried the Supreme Court decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization as shattering nearly 50 years of precedent and denying women access to what they describe is a vital medical procedure.

State Rep. Josie Raymond says the ruling evoked a combination of grief and anger in her. She says it’s unfair that evangelical Christians are forcing their beliefs on people of other religious faiths as well as non-believers. The Louisville Democrat says she’s also frustrated that the state’s GOP supermajority is forcing women to bear children without providing proper support for families.

“We’re not taking care of the kids that we’ve got,” says Raymond. “We’ve ended women’s choices without creating the environment necessary for everyone to be able to parent one child, or a second, or a third, or a fourth.”

Without readily accessible abortions, Raymond says maternal mortality will increase, more pregnant women will be murdered, more women will exit the workforce, and child abuse and child poverty will worsen.

Kentucky already faces high maternal mortality, which is double the national average, according to Tamarra Wieder, Kentucky state director of Planned Parenthood Alliance Advocates. She says without abortion services, maternal mortality could increase 21 percent overall and as much as 33 percent for Black women.

A significant factor in those percentages, says Weider, is a shortage of medical care. She says 73 of the state’s 120 counties don’t have a practicing OB-GYN.

Kentucky Right to Life Executive Director Addia Wuchner, who is a former state representative, says lawmakers have worked hard in recent years to improve maternal and child welfare. She points to legislation to expand health care benefits for mothers and children, improve the state’s foster care and adoption system, increase education spending, and expand domestic violence prevention efforts. Wuchner argues that deficits in maternal welfare, a shortage of health care workers, and the challenges of raising children still don’t justify allowing abortions to continue.

“Since the [Roe v. Wade] decision in 1973, over 296,000 babies in Kentucky have been lost,” says Wuchner. “It is a procedure that takes a life of another human being.”

Concerns that Bans Don’t Include Exemptions

The state’s trigger law, known as the Human Life Protection Act [LINK: https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/record/19rs/hb148.html], passed the 2019 General Assembly with bipartisan support. The only exception it allows is when an abortion is needed to protect the life of the mother.

That angered pro-choice activists who also wanted an exemption for victims of rape or incest. But none of the state’s current legislation provides such an exception.

“We know that Kentuckians want exemptions for rape, for incest, for fetal anomalies, and stronger protections for life of the mother,” says Wieder. “This is not the will of Kentuckians. It’s forced by the legislators in Frankfort.”

But Tate argues that all life is precious, no matter how it is conceived.

“I am a firm advocate for life from conception to natural death, regardless of the circumstances,” says Tate. “These children deserve life and they deserve our love and support.”

Even the provision that allows abortions to protect the life of the mother is not without controversy. Weider contends it is too narrowly written, will endanger women seeking care in small, understaffed hospitals, and could make doctors criminally liable for conducting an abortion that they feel is medically necessary.

Backers of the legislation argue all of that these circumstances are rare. Rape and incest cases account for only about 1 percent of abortions, according to Tate. She says there’s only been one occurrence of an abortion being done in Kentucky to protect the life of the mother.

With the prospect of potential prosecution facing health care providers, Weider fears women could die while waiting for hospital staff to determine the appropriate course of action in an emergency.

“When there are abortion bans, maternal mortality increases,” says Weider. “You are not creating a safe environment for people and women to flourish in Kentucky.”

Wuchner says even if an expectant mother faces a health crisis like a cancer diagnosis, or medical emergency like a car accident, doctors will know that there are two lives at stake: the mother and the unborn child.

“Any doctor is going to have a neonatology team right there at that time making that decision, and they’re going to make an effort to save both,” says Wuchner. “It’s a best medical judgement.”

Some companies have already pledged to help employees who want an abortion but live in a state that does not allow them. Assistance could include paid time off from work to go to another state where abortions are available, and funds to cover travel expenses.

Wuchner argues those companies are simply looking for ways to keep employees on the job and limit health insurance costs as well as maternal leave expenses for new and expectant mothers.

“Sometimes it’s in the best interest to [offer] to pay that woman, sadly, to go out of state to have an abortion,” says Wuchner.

Potential Policy Changes for the Future

News reports indicate that lawmakers in some states are already considering options to make it illegal for women to cross state lines to seek the procedure. Tate says Kentucky legislators will consider that issue, but she’s uncertain as to whether they would pursue such a policy.

If that were to happen in Kentucky, Raymond says it would harm economic development efforts.

“The legislature is trying to do two things: it’s trying to have really extreme social policies that are going to scare these companies away while at the same [time] trying to attract these companies,” says Raymond. “It’s not going to be successful.”

Weider says she hopes the temporary court order to block the state ban on abortions will last at least through November, when Kentuckians will vote on a proposed constitutional amendment that would codify that there is no right to an abortion in the commonwealth. She contends Kentucky voters are not as extreme on abortion and bodily autonomy as legislators and will therefore reject that amendment. Weider hopes that will buy time for more productive policy discussions on the issue.

“Then I really hope we can have a better conversation about what Kentuckians really want when it comes to reproductive health care because it is not what’s coming out of Frankfort,” says Weider.

Despite their differences, Wuchner hopes that people on both sides of the abortion debate can work together to find more ways to support expectant mothers and families in the state.

“If we care about women and we care about the children in this state, I challenge everyone to get your heads together and let’s talk about where we can make a difference for the women and the children,” says Wuchner.

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School Safety: Debating State Policies

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Work, Wages and Welfare

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50 Years of Title IX

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The Impact of U.S. Supreme Court Decisions

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Kentucky's Ban on Abortion

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Discussing New Developments in the COVID-19 Pandemic

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Reducing Opioid Addiction Rates in Kentucky

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Mass Shootings and Gun Laws

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Previewing Kentucky's 2022 Primary Election

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Third Congressional District Democratic Primary

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Candidates in the 2022 Primary Election: Part Two

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Candidates in the 2022 Primary Election: Part One

S29 E15 Length 58:40 Premiere Date 04/25/22

Lawmakers Review the 2022 General Assembly

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Recap of the 2022 Legislative Session

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Public Assistance and Jobless Benefits

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2022 Legislative Session at the Midpoint

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