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Discussing New Developments in the COVID-19 Pandemic

Renee Shaw and guests discuss COVID-19. Guests: Mark Dougherty, M.D., infectious disease specialist at Baptist Health Lexington; Fadi Al Akhrass, M.D., medical director of infectious disease & infection prevention at Pikeville Medical Center; Ilhem Messaoudi, Ph.D., University of Kentucky College of Medicine researcher; and Jon Klein, M.D., vice dean of research at the University of Louisville.
Season 29 Episode 22 Length 56:33 Premiere: 06/20/22

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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Experts Discuss New Variants of the Virus, Long-Haul COVID, and the Need for Vaccinations and Mitigation Practices

After two and a half years, the COVID-19 pandemic has entered an interesting phase: Overall case numbers are high, yet hospitalizations and deaths are surprisingly low. In Kentucky, 19 counties are in the red zone for high COVID prevalence, and the statewide positivity rate is just over 12 percent.

“The public reporting is vastly underestimating the numbers,” says Dr. Mark Dougherty, infectious disease specialist at Baptist Health Lexington. “Most people are testing at home or just not testing at all, and so there are way more people out there that are infected. We are probably under-counting by an order of magnitude of 10 or 20.”

As of June 20, the state’s weekly pandemic update showed an official tally of about 8,000 new cases. But only 369 people are hospitalized, 48 are in intensive care, and 25 are on ventilators. Dougherty says most of the patients he sees in the hospital now either have significant underlying health conditions or are very old.

“It’s now transitioned to a situation where even though the numbers are sky high, we don’t have that many critically ill patients,” he says.

‘Long COVID’ Still Dangerous and Little Understood

Even if hospitalizations and ICU and ventilator use are relatively low, COVID is still disrupting people’s lives at work, school, and home. There’s also the continued risk of so-called long COVID or long-haul COVID, in which certain symptoms persist for weeks, months, or even years after the original infection has passed. Patients can experience fatigue, changes in taste or smell, joint or muscle pain, shortness of breath, heart palpitations, and concentration issues referred to as “brain fog.”

“It doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re totally dysfunctional, that they would qualify for disability and can’t ever work again,” says Dougherty, “but their quality of life is majorly impacted.”

Dr. Fadi Al Akhrass, medical director of infectious disease and infection prevention at Pikeville Medical Center, says some long COVID effects are more life threatening, such as blood clots, cardiovascular disease, stroke, or problems with the kidneys or pancreas.

“You might not die from the COVID-19, but you might die from the consequences of COVID-19,” says Al Akhrass.

Researchers still don’t know why some people get long COVID and others don’t, but the numbers of potential patients are staggering. Al Akhrass says the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that up to 20 percent of adults who have had COVID could develop long-haul symptoms. In older COVID patients, those over 65, the rate is 25 percent.

“These long-haul manifestations are causing tremendous amount of costs on our health care system,” says Al Akhrass. “So, the best option to prevent COVID 19 long-hauler is to prevent COVID 19.”

If you think you have COVID, doctors urge you to get tested as soon as possible. If they determine you need treatment, they may recommend the antiviral Paxlovid, which Dougherty says is most effective when started within the first five days of illness.

“If you suspect you might have COVID, don’t wait until you feel really ill and you’re your oxygen levels drop because it doesn’t work then,” says Dougherty. “You’ve got to take it earlier on.”

But Dr. Jon Klein, vice dean of research at the University of Louisville School of Medicine, says Paxlovid is not authorized for use in youth under age 12. He also says people on statins such as Lipitor must suspend their use while they take Paxlovid.

Hospitalization is recommended when the patient’s blood oxygen level drops below 94 percent. Dougherty says your treatment will likely include the anti-viral Remdesivir and the steroid Dexamethasone. If your blood oxygen goes below 90 percent, you will be given supplemental oxygen.

Vaccinations and Immunity

Dougherty and other infectious disease experts attribute the current phase of high cases and low hospitalizations to a variety of factors. First, the virus continues to mutate.

“The problem is the Omicron and the new subvariants, the BA. 2, BA. 4, and BA. 5, are very sneaky around the immune system.” says Al Akhrass.

Those recent subvariants are more transmissible, says Al Akhrass, but also less likely to cause serious illness. University of Kentucky College of Medicine researcher Ilhem Messaoudi says viruses like COVID are very nimble in how they can evolve and adapt.

“Over the last two years, this virus has been learning to live with us,” she says. “At some point, there’s going to be an equilibrium. There’s only so many mutations a virus can accumulate before it actually becomes detrimental to the life cycle of the virus.”

If COVID reaches that point, Messaoudi says it won’t completely disappear. It will simply be less and less disruptive to humans.

Even as the virus continues to mutate, vaccination and immunity rates have continued to increase. Al Akhrass says about 60 percent of the population either has natural immunity from a previous infection, has vaccine immunity, or a combination of both.

“Hybrid immunity, or immunity from having been infected and vaccinated, is the best immunity, says Dougherty. “You have the highest antibodies, probably the best T-cell response if you have that hybrid immunity.”

Neither vaccine nor natural immunity can guarantee a person won’t get COVID, but it does decrease a person’s risk of contracting the virus or developing a serious case of it if they are infected. Dougherty cautions, though, that contrary to what some people believe, having had COVID once doesn’t mean you can’t get it again.

“Anyone can get reinfected,” he says. “The reinfection rate is lower if you’ve been vaccinated than if you just have natural infection, but it’s the lowest if you have both of those.”

Vaccination rates should increase now that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been approved for use in children as young as six months old. Yet with many adults still rejecting inoculation, health officials fear they will also resist having their children vaccinated.

Protecting Children and Adults from Infection

Despite some early speculation the pandemic wouldn’t harm children, Kentucky has seen about 177,000 cases of COVID in kids up to the age of nine. For youth ages 9 to 19, there are been about 191,000 cases. Deaths attributed to COVID in children in the state total 15.

Nationwide, COVID is now among the five leading causes of childhood death according to Messaoudi. That’s why she encourages parents to protect their children by having them vaccinated as she has done with her own kids.

“The fact that they [the vaccines] are safe, they have very few adverse outcomes, and the data tells us that they are very protective is really great news,” she says.

But Messaoudi also cautions that children can experience the same kinds of temporary post-vaccination fever, fatigue, and body aches that some adults do.

“I would argue that the malaise is still better than having to be on ventilator,” she says.

Pharmaceutical companies are working to update their COVID vaccines to better combat the new variants. The University of Louisville’s Dr. Jon Klein says the new formulas should be available later this year.

“The vaccines we have are directed at a virus that in some ways has disappeared in the last two years – this was built for the original form of the virus,” Klein. “In the fall, we presumably are going to receive a vaccine that is built to protect us against Omicron variants.”

As researchers tweak the current vaccine formulations, Klein says they are also studying different strategies for activating the body’s immune system against the virus.

“One of the Holy Grails of vaccines will be the development of so-called mucosal immunity, which is to say immunity that’s present in our nasal passages and in our upper airways,” says Klein. “That’s really probably the most likely way that we’ll reach a vaccination that has the highest protective effect against infection.”

Until then, Klein strongly encourages people to get vaccinated if they’ve yet to get their first shot, or to stay current on their boosters if they have been vaccinated.

“If you plan to be active,” says Klein, “you should go ahead and get your first booster after consulting with your primary care doctor or nurse practitioner.”

Beyond staying current on vaccinations and boosters, Klein also recommends people continue to mask, especially in crowded enclosed spaces like airplanes. He prefers the N95 (or KN95) masks that have better fit and filtration than surgical-type masks or cloth coverings.

Another good defense is a strong immune system, which Al Akhrass says comes from adopting healthy lifestyle choices like regular exercise, proper diet, and stopping use of tobacco and vaping products.

Because COVID can present with a range of symptoms, including those similar to the common cold and allergies, Dougherty urges people who are feeling unwell to avoid contact with others until they can get tested.

“Even if you have sniffles,” Dougherty says, “you can pass it to other people who then become critically ill.”

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Medical Marijuana Legalization in Kentucky

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Kentucky's Juvenile Justice System

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Legislation Introduced in the 2023 General Assembly

S29 E42 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 01/09/23

2023 Legislative Session Preview

S29 E41 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 12/19/22

National Politics

S29 E40 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 12/05/22

2022 Election Preview

S29 E39 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 11/07/22

Inflation and the Economy

S29 E38 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 10/31/22

Constitutional Amendments 1 & 2

S29 E37 Length 56:36 Premiere Date 10/24/22

Candidates for U.S. House of Representatives: Part Two

S29 E36 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 10/17/22

Candidates for U.S. House of Representatives: Part One

S29 E35 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 10/10/22

U.S. Senate Candidate Charles Booker

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COVID-19, Monkeypox and Influenza

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Eastern Kentucky Flooding and Legislative Relief Package

S29 E31 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 08/29/22

Child Care in Kentucky

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School Safety: Debating State Policies

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Work, Wages and Welfare

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50 Years of Title IX

S29 E26 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 07/18/22

The Impact of U.S. Supreme Court Decisions

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Kentucky's Ban on Abortion

S29 E23 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 06/27/22

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S29 E22 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 06/20/22

Reducing Opioid Addiction Rates in Kentucky

S29 E21 Length 56:36 Premiere Date 06/13/22

Mass Shootings and Gun Laws

S29 E20 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 06/06/22

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S29 E19 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 05/23/22

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S29 E18 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 05/16/22

Third Congressional District Democratic Primary

S29 E17 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 05/09/22

Candidates in the 2022 Primary Election: Part Two

S29 E16 Length 58:33 Premiere Date 05/02/22

Candidates in the 2022 Primary Election: Part One

S29 E15 Length 58:40 Premiere Date 04/25/22

Lawmakers Review the 2022 General Assembly

S29 E14 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 04/18/22

Recap of the 2022 Legislative Session

S29 E13 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 04/11/22

Public Assistance and Jobless Benefits

S29 E12 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 03/28/22

Abortion Legislation in the 2022 General Assembly

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State Budget, Taxes, and Other 2022 General Assembly Topics

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Critical Race Theory and Approaches to Teaching History

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2022 Legislative Session at the Midpoint

S29 E8 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 02/21/22

Name, Image and Likeness Compensation

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Child Abuse and Neglect

S29 E6 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 02/07/22

Debating School Choice in Kentucky

S29 E5 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 02/01/22

Debating Provisions in the Proposed State Budget

S29 E4 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 01/24/22

Redistricting, State Budget, and Other Legislative Issues

S29 E3 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 01/10/22

Discussing Legislative Goals for the 2022 General Assembly

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