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Candidates for U.S. House of Representatives: Part Two

Renee Shaw discusses issues in Kentucky's 4th Congressional District with Matt Lehman – Democratic nominee. Next, a discussion of issues in Kentucky's 5th Congressional District with Rep. Hal Rogers – Republican incumbent. Then, a discussion of issues in Kentucky’s 6th Congressional District with Geoff Young – Democratic nominee.
Season 29 Episode 36 Length 56:35 Premiere: 10/17/22


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Renee Shaw is the Director of Public Affairs and Moderator at KET, currently serving as host of KET’s weeknight public affairs program Kentucky Edition, the signature public policy discussion series Kentucky Tonight, the weekly interview series Connections, Election coverage and KET Forums.

Since 2001, Renee has been the producing force behind KET’s legislative coverage that has been recognized by the Kentucky Associated Press and the National Educational Telecommunications Association. Under her leadership, KET has expanded its portfolio of public affairs content to include a daily news and information program, Kentucky Supreme Court coverage, townhall-style forums, and multi-platform program initiatives around issues such as opioid addiction and youth mental health.  

Renee has also earned top awards from the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences (NATAS), with three regional Emmy awards. In 2023, she was inducted into the Silver Circle of the NATAS, one of the industry’s highest honors recognizing television professionals with distinguished service in broadcast journalism for 25 years or more.  

Already an inductee into the Kentucky Civil Rights Hall of Fame (2017), Renee expands her hall of fame status with induction into Western Kentucky University’s Hall of Distinguished Alumni in November of 2023.  

In February of 2023, Renee graced the front cover of Kentucky Living magazine with a centerfold story on her 25 years of service at KET and even longer commitment to public media journalism. 

In addition to honors from various educational, civic, and community organizations, Renee has earned top honors from the Associated Press and has twice been recognized by Mental Health America for her years-long dedication to examining issues of mental health and opioid addiction.  

In 2022, she was honored with Women Leading Kentucky’s Governor Martha Layne Collins Leadership Award recognizing her trailblazing path and inspiring dedication to elevating important issues across Kentucky.   

In 2018, she co-produced and moderated a 6-part series on youth mental health that was awarded first place in educational content by NETA, the National Educational Telecommunications Association. 

She has been honored by the AKA Beta Gamma Omega Chapter with a Coretta Scott King Spirit of Ivy Award; earned the state media award from the Kentucky Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution in 2019; named a Charles W. Anderson Laureate by the Kentucky Personnel Cabinet in 2019 honoring her significant contributions in addressing socio-economic issues; and was recognized as a “Kentucky Trailblazer” by the University of Kentucky Martin School of Public Policy and Administration during the Wendell H. Ford Lecture Series in 2019. That same year, Shaw was named by The Kentucky Gazette’s inaugural recognition of the 50 most notable women in Kentucky politics and government.  

Renee was bestowed the 2021 Berea College Service Award and was named “Unapologetic Woman of the Year” in 2021 by the Community Action Council.   

In 2015, she received the Green Dot Award for her coverage of domestic violence, sexual assault & human trafficking. In 2014, Renee was awarded the Anthony Lewis Media Award from the KY Department of Public Advocacy for her work on criminal justice reform. Two Kentucky governors, Republican Ernie Fletcher and Democrat Andy Beshear, have commissioned Renee as a Kentucky Colonel for noteworthy accomplishments and service to community, state, and nation.  

A former adjunct media writing professor at Georgetown College, Renee traveled to Cambodia in 2003 to help train emerging journalists on reporting on critical health issues as part of an exchange program at Western Kentucky University. And, she has enterprised stories for national media outlets, the PBS NewsHour and Public News Service.  

Shaw is a 2007 graduate of Leadership Kentucky, a board member of CASA of Lexington, and a longtime member of the Frankfort/Lexington Chapter of The Links Incorporated, an international, not-for-profit organization of women of color committed to volunteer service. She has served on the boards of the Kentucky Historical Society, Lexington Minority Business Expo, and the Board of Governors for the Ohio Valley Chapter of the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. 

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Candidates for Congress in the 4th, 5th, and 6th Districts Discuss Domestic Issues and Foreign Policy

Kentucky Tonight hosted the third in a series of discussions about the 2022 midterm elections as Renee Shaw spoke with candidates running for the U.S. House of Representatives in the state’s 4th, 5th, and 6th Congressional districts.

Matt Lehman, 4th District Democrat

Matt Lehman is an entrepreneur and consultant working in the biotechnology, health care, and Thoroughbred horse industries. He was a McConnell Scholar at the University of Louisville and received a master’s degree from Columbia University. The northern Kentucky native lives with his family in Newport. This is his first bid for elective office.

“I’m a lifelong, pragmatic Democrat. I believe in standing up for the working class, for the middle class, trying to advance what makes families better,” says Lehman.
“I promise to take the job seriously and represent the values of our district and the interests of our district to the best of my ability in D.C.”

Republican incumbent Thomas Massie, who has served in Congress since 2012, did not respond to KET’s invitation to participate.

The top issue for the district, according to Lehman, is the opioid epidemic, which he describes as a moral problem that impacts families, the workforce, and the economy. He blames the crisis on American pharmaceutical companies that he says developed powerful new opioids and then illegally marketed them to get people addicted to the drugs. Lehman contends that intercepting illicit drugs coming across the southern border and through western ports only addresses part of the problem.

“We have to deal with the cause of demand and the dependence issues we have in this country,” he says.

In addition to providing more addiction treatment options, Lehman calls for funding to fully staff health care facilities and law enforcement. He also says labor shortages will never be resolved until the nation provides adequate health care and mental health services to Americans.

On the economy, the Democrat blames inflation on discretionary federal spending and supply chain disruptions during COVID as well as the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Lehman supports American aid to Ukraine because he says it’s important to maintain strong partnerships with democratic counties around the world.

“This is money very well spent, it is in our interest economically as well as our interest morally,” says Lehman, who lived in Germany and Ukraine earlier in his career. “Ukraine’s a major exporter of grain, of fertilizer, of energy sources.”

The Democrat says the federal pandemic stimulus packages helped avert a depression, but he argues it’s now time to reduce discretionary spending and focus on long-term investments in critical infrastructure projects, including a new northern Kentucky bridge and broadband internet deployment in rural areas.

But Lehman says he disagrees with President Joe Biden’s plan to forgive up to $10,000 in student loan debt for people who make less than $125,000 a year.

“There’s ways to address it without necessarily a large giveaway,” Lehman says. “At this moment in time, the priority needs to be finding ways to make postsecondary education (and) training less expensive and more accessible to people rather than just using the resources of the federal government to forgive things that have already been incurred.”

For those who do carry student loans, Lehman says people should be able to discharge those debts in bankruptcy proceedings. He also wants more opportunities for students to reduce their higher education expenses through commitments to military or community service.

Finally, Lehman says marriage equality and reproductive rights must be protected from what he calls government overreach. He says he would seek to codify abortion rights protections into law. He adds that no one wants more abortions or late-term abortions.

“What we do want is to make sure that women are able to make their own decisions in consultation with their doctor,” says Lehman. “We don’t need the prosecutors involved, we don’t need the attorney general involved.”

Hal Rogers, 5th District Republican

Hal Rogers was first elected to Congress in 1980. He has degrees from the University of Kentucky and the UK Law School. Earlier in his career, Rogers was a commonwealth’s attorney in Pulaski and Rockcastle Counties, and a Republican nominee for lieutenant governor. In Washington, he has served on the House Appropriations Committee for nearly four decades, including five years as chairman.

Democratic challenger Conor Halbleib did not meet KET’s criteria for participating in the program.

Rogers says the district has struggled under the weight of a drug addiction crisis, the COVID pandemic, economic disruptions, and natural disasters.

“Our region has been impacted over time with overwhelming problems,” says the Congressman. “We lost 12,000 good-paying jobs during the demise of the coal industry, and now we’ve been hit by this horrendous flood, which is catastrophic in every way.”

In the wake of this summer’s historic flooding, Rogers says he rallied Kentucky’s federal delegation to immediately request a disaster declaration from President Biden. He says he also prodded federal agencies for recovery assistance, securing, he reports, $130 million so far for flood victims plus $65 million in housing assistance and $22 million in flood insurance payments.

Yet nearly three months after the disaster, Rogers says he still receives calls from constituents complaining about the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s response. He says some people are forced to appeal a FEMA disaster relief decision up to five times before they get the assistance they requested.

“That’s unacceptable and we’ll be riding herd on the FEMA from here on out,” he says.

On the greater economic issues facing southeastern Kentucky and the nation, Rogers says he can’t support a federal minimum wage increase without first studying how that would impact small businesses. The Congressman says he wants to continue his efforts to recruit new business and industry to the region. He also points to other development projects he’s introduced during his tenure such as the ongoing Shaping Our Appalachian Region (SOAR) initiative he started with former Gov. Steve Beshear in 2013.

But now Rogers says eastern Kentuckians are struggling with another hit to their pocketbooks: inflation.

“In this difficult economic time, people are trying to survive,” says the Republican. “Gasoline prices through the sky, shopping at the grocery store is an economic tragedy.”

The Congressman blames inflation on Biden administration policies and says “excessive governmental spending” must be trimmed. He says discretionary and mandatory appropriations should be cut, but he does not offer any specifics as to which programs he would reduce.

“We’ll take a look in due course of time,” he says.

But Rogers adds he does not support efforts by fellow Republicans in Washington to cut Social Security or Medicare benefits.

The Republican also blames the president for making the drug crisis and immigration worse.

“The problem the country faces are policies by this administration in allowing the open borders with Mexico,” he says. “We’ve had 2 million illegal aliens arrested in one year. That’s unacceptable.”

Rogers was the only member of Kentucky’s Congressional delegation to vote against certifying the 2020 presidential election results. The Republican says he believes that President Biden was fairly elected, and that he knew his objection wouldn’t change the result of certification. But he also contends there are lingering questions about how some states changed their voting procedures for that election.

“My office was inundated by phone calls, other communications from people across my district questioning the integrity of the presidential election in other states,” Rogers explains. “So on behalf of the people of my district, who overwhelmingly objected to electoral votes tied to allegations of election fraud, (that) drove me to take the action I did.”

Finally, Rogers says he supports a proposal from House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy to ban transgender athletes from competing in women’s sports.

Geoff Young, 6th District Democrat

Geoff Young has a bachelor’s degree from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and master’s degrees from the University of Massachusetts-Amherst and the University of Kentucky. For 15 years he worked on energy efficiency and renewable technologies at the Kentucky Department for Energy. This is his fifth run for Congress in the district.

Republican incumbent Andy Barr, who assumed office in 2013, declined KET’s invitation to participate.

With international tensions rising around Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and China’s threats against Taiwan, Young says he is seeking office to help prevent a world war.

“I think the danger of a nuclear war is higher now than it has ever been in human history,” he says

Young contends that America is to blame for the war in Ukraine, claiming that the U.S. State Department and CIA launched a coup in 2014 to oust the country’s democratically elected president and installed a puppet government of Nazis.

“Now it would be accurate to say that Ukraine is a Nazi dictatorship,” he says.

War in Ukraine could have been avoided, according to Young, if the U.S. and European nations had accepted peace proposals that Russian President Vladimir Putin offered last December. Among other things, that plan said Ukraine would never join NATO. Young calls Putin’s proposal “reasonable” and a “missed opportunity.”

“All of the members of President Biden’s national security team should be fired or impeached for failing to take that opportunity to reduce tension in Europe, to improve the security of every country in Europe, and to improve our own national security as well,” he says.

Young also contends that Putin was justified in taking military action because the U.S. has funneled weapons to Ukraine, which Young argues has effectively created a NATO base on Russia’s border.

“So when Russia sent its forces into Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022, it was not an invasion – it was certainly not an illegal invasion,” says Young. “Russia was acting in self-defense.”

Unless leaders in Washington dramatically change American foreign policy, Young warns the world will unite against the U.S. and isolate the nation, leading to an economic collapse worse than the Great Depression of the 1930s. The candidate also wants to abolish the CIA, alleging the agency has overthrown dozens of governments, tortured countless people, and assassinated many others, including, he claims, former President John F. Kennedy.

“We’ve got 16 other intelligence agencies,” says Young. “Let’s save some money and get rid of the worst one.”

On domestic issues, Young says the war on drugs has failed. He calls for full legalization of marijuana and other illicit narcotics. He also wants to fund harm reduction clinics that would provide a safe environment for people with a substance use disorder to take limited quantities of their drug of choice. These facilities would also offer treatment programs to help people overcome an addiction. Young says his plan makes economic sense.

“The cost is negative compared to arresting these people, locking them up, holding them in jails and prison for years,” he says.

Finally Young calls the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade an attack on women’s rights. He says Roe was the “wisest, best decision of my lifetime,” and the arguments of six current justices to overturn it were illogical and without merit.

“They overturned it for one reason only and that was because they had the votes,” says Young. “They had the raw political power to overturn it, so they did.”

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Kentucky's Juvenile Justice System

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Legislation Introduced in the 2023 General Assembly

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National Politics

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Inflation and the Economy

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Constitutional Amendments 1 & 2

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Candidates for U.S. House of Representatives: Part Two

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Candidates for U.S. House of Representatives: Part One

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U.S. Senate Candidate Charles Booker

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COVID-19, Monkeypox and Influenza

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Eastern Kentucky Flooding and Legislative Relief Package

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Child Care in Kentucky

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School Safety: Debating State Policies

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Work, Wages and Welfare

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50 Years of Title IX

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The Impact of U.S. Supreme Court Decisions

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Kentucky's Ban on Abortion

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Discussing New Developments in the COVID-19 Pandemic

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Reducing Opioid Addiction Rates in Kentucky

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Mass Shootings and Gun Laws

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Previewing Kentucky's 2022 Primary Election

S29 E18 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 05/16/22

Third Congressional District Democratic Primary

S29 E17 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 05/09/22

Candidates in the 2022 Primary Election: Part Two

S29 E16 Length 58:33 Premiere Date 05/02/22

Candidates in the 2022 Primary Election: Part One

S29 E15 Length 58:40 Premiere Date 04/25/22

Lawmakers Review the 2022 General Assembly

S29 E14 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 04/18/22

Recap of the 2022 Legislative Session

S29 E13 Length 56:35 Premiere Date 04/11/22

Public Assistance and Jobless Benefits

S29 E12 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 03/28/22

Abortion Legislation in the 2022 General Assembly

S29 E11 Length 56:34 Premiere Date 03/21/22

State Budget, Taxes, and Other 2022 General Assembly Topics

S29 E10 Length 57:42 Premiere Date 03/14/22

Critical Race Theory and Approaches to Teaching History

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2022 Legislative Session at the Midpoint

S29 E8 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 02/21/22

Name, Image and Likeness Compensation

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Child Abuse and Neglect

S29 E6 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 02/07/22

Debating School Choice in Kentucky

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Debating Provisions in the Proposed State Budget

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Redistricting, State Budget, and Other Legislative Issues

S29 E3 Length 56:33 Premiere Date 01/10/22

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